Scouts-L Mail Archive for November of 1998: Venturing/Rovering
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:33:42 +0000
On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Richard Sullivan wrote:
> David, (and Ian, and Roger, et alia) this brings up a thought from
>the Far Side (apologies to cartoonist Larson) of the Pond: BSA's
>Explorers now Venturing and Learning for Life cover 14-21 years of
>age. But I noticed what seemed to be a very active Rovering movement
>in Europe. I know little about it, but I was intrigued by the concept
>of young adults, specifically early to middle twenties remaining
>involved, attending Moots, etc.
> Can some of our European siblings start a thread describing
>Rove ring and what it entails.
Well, we don't actually have Rovers in the UK (well, strictly speaking
I should say the Scout Association (the largest UK scouting
organisation) does not have Rovers).
Beavers: 6 - 8
Cubs: 8 - 10.5
Scouts: 10.5 - 15.5
Venture Scouts: 15.5 - 20.
I think our Scout Section is pretty much equivalent to your Scout
section, with perhaps slightly less youth leadership due to the
younger age (but only slightly, in an ideal troop).
Ventures are completely run bu themselves: we do have Venture Scout
leaders, but they there only to advise and help. A Venture Scout Unit
is run by its Executive Committee, which is made up of 3 - 8 elected
members of the Unit. We can do pretty much what we want, within POR
(Policy Organisation and Rules of the Scout Association). We do have
Uniform, and a Training Scheme (=advancement), which has two main
awards (the Venture Scout Award and the Queen's Scout Award).
The natural progression from Ventures is to become a Leader - indeed
there are several members of my Unit who are already leaders further
down in the group. There are also other opportunities such as the
Scout Fellowship - which I have to admit I don't know that much about.
Another thing which exists in the UK is the Student Scout and Guide
Organisation (SSAGO). This is a national organisation which is
affiliated to the Scout Association, and it is made up of clubs at
universities and colleges around the country. This enables people to
keep up links with Scouting whilst at uni. SSAGO clubs do not have
leaders, a uniform or a training scheme, but are otherwise run
similarly to a very active Venture Scout Unit. Not all members have
ever been Scouts (or Guides).
I am not aware of this sort of thing in any other country, but I think
it is a really good idea. It also goes some way to solving a
problem with the Venture Section, namely that a lot of members leave
at 18 to go to uni.
There has recently been some talk about restructuring the section ages
to get around this problem. The proposals are to have Ventures up to
18, and to introduce a new Rover section from 18 to 25.
However, this means that the Venture Section becomes very small. If
you move the Scout/Venture boundary down, then it becomes very
difficult to get youth leadership in the Scout section. It is a
tricky problem to solve, and I suspect the consensus of opinion will
be to leave the sections as they are.
The Oxford Uni Scout and Guide Group web page is given in my sig
Nonsuch Venture Scout Unit, Epsom & Ewell, Surrey, UK
Oxford University Scout and Guide Group, Oxfordshire, UK