Scouts-L Mail Archive for November of 1998: Scouts, Coffee and the Boston Tea Party
Scouts, Coffee and the Boston Tea Party
Tue, 3 Nov 1998 04:36:44 +0000
Here I was silently agreeing with all the requests to end the Flame
Wars until David Ball of the Nonsuch Venture Scout Unit, Down in Epsom
& Ewell, Surrey, UK had to go and say=20
"I have never seen any question about this over here - no-one would
"even think about banning coke or coffee (or tea, which in fact has
"more caffeine in it than coffee... but I won't expect Americans to
"know about tea <grin>)."
Well, sir, themn's fitin' words, m'lad! I will match my worst
cuppa' against anything the Warden over at Walton Firs (Cobham,
Surrey) can brew! <g> Now if we could only convince Safeway to invite
Whittards to supply leaf tea in place of that awful bagged stuff we in
America call "tea". Heavens, I'd probably go so far as to settle for
P.G. Tips in lieu of our "usual" mulched grass.
Actually, it must appear rather strange to folks outside North
America when we go to rambling about coffee, cola, candy and (gasp!)
Twinkies! Most BSA Scouters would be scandalized by the presence of
a bar on a scout reservation but, of course many UK Scout Centres
have their pubs. Although I don't imbibe myself, I learned to
appreciate the role of the neighborhood pub in a UK village which is
replicated on many of the Scout Properties. However, the cultural
difference would preclude an American version of Duffy's Tavern (maybe
"T.G.I.F." in this day and age) on a Scout Camp in the U.S. Don't
ever recall seeing a tipsy UK Scouter in my three years on your
Sceptered Isle. (I do recall having to scold a Cub Scout family in
Maryland that thought I was mean for making them put away the booze
during a family camp out some years ago.)
>Just thought I'd give a different perspective on this...
You know, that's precisely why I subscribed to Scouts-L in the first
place, the different perspective from brother and sister Scouters.
>I have been quite amused by all this discussion on whether or not to
>allow coffee and coke on camps. From here, it seems completely over
>the top to ban these things. It's just not an issue.
>Having said this, I don't know any of any scouts who would drink
>coffee (scouts is only up to age 15 in the UK). Maybe you just don't
>make it strong enough for them to dislike it...
> David Ball
>Nonsuch Venture Scout Unit, Epsom & Ewell, Surrey, UK
>Oxford University Scout and Guide Group, Oxfordshire, UK
David, (and Ian, and Roger, et alia) this brings up a thought from
the Far Side (apologies to cartoonist Larson) of the Pond: BSA's
Explorers now Venturing and Learning for Life cover 14-21 years of
age. But I noticed what seemed to be a very active Rovering movement
in Europe. I know little about it, but I was intrigued by the concept
of young adults, specifically early to middle twenties remaining
involved, attending Moots, etc. =20
Can some of our European siblings start a thread describing
Rove ring and what it entails. I recognize we do not and will not
have something like this, but after all the discussions of what to do
with the older Scouts, how do we keep Eagles involved, and what do we
do with Junior Assistant Scoutmasters, etc who turn 18 (our general
default seems to be we accept that we lose them to Scouting until they
have seven-year old sons), what does Rovering have that keeps young
men and women active and involved?
Does it keep them active and Involved?
BSA Scouters: is there a need for something like that here?
Having just raised those questions, I will quietly go "NO MAIL" status
while I venture out and about and go rovering through Russia for a
couple of weeks. Back in December....Scout's Promise.
Yours In Scouting,
District Commissioner, Chief Solano District
Mt. Diablo Silverado Council, Fairfield California
I used to be a good ol Bob-WHITE! (NE-IV-74 Germany 1995)