Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: rank advancement
Re: rank advancement
Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:42:33 +0000
This is confusing to me too..., John.
"G. John Marmet" <GMarmet@AOL.COM> asked:
>I have a question for the list, expecially those knowledgable in
>the new Venturer system. It is my understanding that under this
>new system rank advancement will be possible in the
>Bronze-Gold-Silver-Ranger sequence (though I can understand that
>some might not think of that as a sequence, and frankly
>I haven't figured it out either).
The best I can figure out...
Bronze can be earned in one of five areas and is a precursor to
Gold. You have to earn Gold in order to earn Silver...and then,
there's Ranger, which elements of all three may be used to earn the
award. But *my understanding* is that Ranger is an adjunct, and
not REQUIRED to be earned after Silver or in the process of earning
the Silver Award.
>My question is simply whether a young man registered only in a
>Venture Post will be eligible for the conventional Tenderfoot to
>Eagle sequence, without being dual registered?
I've been wrong *twice* on this, John...so I'll defer answering
this to others here that's a little more in-tune with how that's
going to work. Again, *my thinking* is that a Venturer can earn
Eagle AND Bronze/Gold/Silver/Ranger at the same time *without being
dual-registered*, since he's STILL going to be part of the BSA's
program. The question comes to me if an Learning for
Life/Exploring participant can still work toward Eagle until the
end of next year, *who awards the Eagle*?
I know that if you are a Boy Scout or Varsity Scout, that Troop or
Team is going to award the Eagle to you during a Court of Honor.
If you're a Sea Scout, the Bridge of Honor's going to do the
presentation. If you're a Venturer, *hopefully by then* myself and
others involved in that new effort will have developed approprate
ceremonies which could include the Eagle.
But if you're a LfL/Exploring participant, does the Post award the
Eagle on behalf of the BSA? (weird)
I'll be *glad* when the transition's OVER and we're all singing
with one sheet of music...
>I assume that a Scout must be dual registered (following the old
>system with the old pre August Explorers) in order to advance to
>Eagle so that his actual Eagle advancement is really done in the
Again, *my understanding* (and please Paul, Scott and Bruce, STEP
IN and tell me if I'm off-track again!!) is that a *member of the
BSA* (Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, Venturer) can continue to work
toward Eagle as long as he's a MALE, is UNDER 18 years of age, and
REGISTERED as a member of a Troop, Team, Crew or Ship. The present
BSA Advancement Procedures book's pretty clear that advancement can
continue in an Exploring post by completing the service projects
and serving as a leader of the Post; therefore, transposing that
over to the new Venturing program, serving as a Crew leader or
staff, completing the service projects and registration *should be
>This has become personally important as my own son is about to
>register as a Venturer and he needs his BOR for Eagle (and that is
Then *I would recommend* to dual-register as BOTH a Boy Scout AND
as a Venturer....ooooh, I was going to type here "and as soon as
you make Eagle, then drop the Boy Scout registration."
Bad move, Mike Walton!! We should NEVER tell our Scouts (or their
families!!) that "once you make Eagle, that's it! Time to move
onward", because that's NOT TRUE AT ALL.
I would STILL dual-register, but I would also do my *primary work*
with the Troop until he turned 18. This still gives him a couple
more years to work toward the Venturing ranks (and perhaps to earn
Ranger too) before he turns 21.
If your son "plays this out right", he should leave Boy Scouting
with a few Eagle Palms and then leave Venturing as one of the first
Silver Award holders. I don't know how long the process will be
for Ranger (from what Scott Smith and others are telling me, the
process will be rigorous and not ALL Venturers will be able to
>Two sub questions then: 1. Is Venture advancement only
The advancement is Bronze (five options for earning it, a Venturer
can go back and earn Bronze again up to five times), Gold, Silver.
Ranger is an option for ALL Venturers to earn, which in part
requires the Venturer to earn elements of the Bronze and Gold
Awards as pre-cursors to the Ranger work.
>and 2. Is registration in a troop required for
>Tenderfoot-Eagle Advancement (and tenure issues as well)?
*I say* no, John. I believe that I'm correct in saying so, but
it's only because I'm basing this answer on the relationship that
Venturers' predecssor, Exploring, had with Boy Scouting.
Hope this helps...and I hope that others can answer those questions
for John AND me!
(c) 1998 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") email@example.com
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