Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: pack committee chairman
pack committee chairman
Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:49:03 +0000
Well, folks, I guess that if you are in this world long enough, something
happens to make you stand up and say "Hey, wait a minute!".
Last night my pack Committee Chairman told me to find another pack.
The reason? I am demanding to know why the pack committee meetings are
closed to pack members. (I posted about this last year and got some good
advice, which I have lost, darn it, and did not follow, double darn it)
This is not just for a vote, mind you, but >all< pack committee meetings are
closed to anyone who is not an appointed (by the CC) as a committee member.
If a leader happens to come into a pack committee meeting by chance or
design, they are told " You must leave, you are not a member of the pack
committee and you may not be in here".
When I pointed out to the CC and CM that the training tapes (I am on
the district training staff) say that secret and/or closed meetings are
forbidden by BSA policy, they reply that they checked with my council office
and no one there could find any reason why they could not run the committee
in that manner (tough luck, now be on your way). They say that the secret
meeting rule is only for youth. That is when the CC said that since I did
not agree with the way the pack is run that I should leave (paint an
extremely angry face with clenched teeth). The CM said nothing, so I guess
that that means that he agrees with the CC.
I will not and cannot leave this pack. All of my friends are there,
people that I work with daily at school and in scouting. The CC and CM have
no boys in the program, so they have nothing to lose. I have all my friends
and neighbors in the pack, plus 3.5 years of leadership, time, money and
sweat involved. I could go to another pack, as I know many in the district
that I am in that would welcome me with open arms, but this is my pack too.
The CC seems to think that it is her pack and all of us parents are simply
The CM (a lawyer) has already lied to my DE, asking if non-committee
members may be asked to leave during a vote (of course they can, but why
would they?), this deflecting what the real question is.....can they exclude
leaders and members of the pack from all meetings? He then told me that the
DE said that they can have secret meetings. Which was not the question at
all. The CM now states that these are the rules that were in place when he
became CM 4 years ago and he and the CC see no reason to change them.
So here is where I need some help from you on the list. I need to
know if there is anything in the chapters and verse of the official BSA
'laws' that say that either a Committee meeting >may< meet in secrecy all of
the time (this is to carry on ordinary business and planning, not a special
session to discuss delicate matters, etc), or that they >cannot< meet in
secrecy and exclude members.
Please, if any of you higher up/professional types can help me I
would be forever grateful. If I go to the Chartering Organization the whole
pack may suffer, as the church is tired of the pack anyway and might look
for an excuse to get rid of it. That would hurt the 60plus boys/families
that the pack serves, and I cannot have that on my head. I am in it for the
boys, even if the CC is not.
I am sorry for the disjointed ramblings, and I ask that you e-mail
me privately with your ideas and any citations of BSA policy that may help
me. (The lawyer CM will not acquiese unless he sees the written policy, that
much I know).
I simply wish to have the right to attend a committee meeting if I
choose to do so. And disagreement with the unwritten policy of the pack
committee chairman should not give give her the right to tell me to leave.
To the best of my knowledge I have done nothing wrong except question their
Please reply privately
District Cub Leader Training Committee
Day Camp Program Director
Pack Resources Coordinator
Troop Committee Member
and very confused and hurt Scouter
in Columbia, SC