Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: Advnacement Transfer Question
Re: Advnacement Transfer Question
Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:47:45 +0100
Hi Joe, et al,
Joe wrote in response to my posting about the "scout spirit" sign off:
>****WARNING!!! WARNING!!! HOT BUTTON PUSHED*****
Yes, I know. This is always a hot button for just about everyone on the
list.:-) I think every member of the list probably has a different
interpretation and view of just how this requirement is satisfied. AND
most of us have a pretty good idea down deep in our gut of what national is
really "talking about" when they state the requirement. My commissioner's
training book tells me that each unit is different and that other units
might interpret things a little differently than your unit. Every unit is
responsible for delivering, intact, the "basic BSA program" BUT each unit
has some freedom in interpreting things like this.
>Does your unit require the SM to personally observe
>the things done to meet each and every other rank
>requirement? Why single out this one
In our troop, the troop leadership cadre (or older scout in the case of
T-1st Class reqs) signs off for most requirements. However, only the SM or
First ASM may sign off for the SM Conference and Scout Spirit requirements.
No, the SM does not personally observe the completion of every requirement
for every rank but in our troop, he is certainly CHARGED by our committee
to observe, evaluate and sign off on the scout spirit requirement. It
would seem obvious to me that as the ASM for new scouts, I would not
necessarily be the leader who would best be able to evaluate the "scout
spirit" of a scout applying for Eagle.
> To answer the original poster's question, it is not
> proper to require the boy to spend any additional time
> in your unit so that you can "observe" him. How should
> the unit leader determine that the scout spirit requirement
> has been met? First off, ask the scout for examples of
> how he lives the oath and law in his daily life. Ask
> him if there have been times when, as a Star scout, he
> did not follow the oath and law. As about his community
> service. Ask him how he acts in school. Ask him about
> his religious activities.
I certainly agree with you that the scout should be asked about his
involvement in the life of the home, school and community. Again, in our
troop, these issues would be covered in the SM conference.
Many have posted about contacting the referenced scout's former
scoutmaster. I think this is an excellent idea! As a matter of fact, I
would zerox a copy of his handbook, FAX it to the former SM and ask him if
he would sign off on the requirement and FAX it back. No time lost.
> I don't think that the "scout spirit" requirement should
> be an automatic sign-off. In fact, I think that most
> unit leaders don't pay enough attention to it, and just
> sign it off because the scout attends meetings and outings,
> and is a "good guy". It should be a review of how the
> scout is applying what he's learned each and every day.
> Make it tough - but stay within the rules!!!
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