Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: council web policy
Re: council web policy
Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:53:39 +0000
David Ball <db@HAWK.KEBLE.OX.AC.UK> replied to Jason Cruse's note:
>Exactly how are they going to stop you linking back to their
>page?? Using their name/patch could be breaking some sort of
>copyright (I suspect not if he BSA policy is anything like the
>SA), but they can't prevent you linking back to their page, either
>physically or legally.
The BSA is NOT like the Scout Association with regard to how they
perceive their emblems and insignia to be treated. Basically, the
BSA (and it's local Councils) allow Scouts and Scouters to use
their "indicia" and emblems and insignia related to those indicia
on their personal or unit websites with *some restriction*.
The *restriction* is that those that choose to use such items
understand that the material is the BSA's and NOT THEIRS, and as
such, the BSA MAY ASK that such indicia and insignia be REMOVED
from a website or page either in writing or through the request of
the local Council.
Scouters who fail to do so may face removal from registration with
the BSA, which is very different from the SA.
We've talked about this very issue over at E-Scouts over the past;
while the discussion level is low over there, I would welcome a
return to talking about it more and helping to craft a new *policy*
which webmasters AND local Councils can live with.
You are *technically right*, David. Nobody can *keep you* from NOT
linking your pages nor site to the BSA's official site or the
number of unofficial sites out there on the World Wide Web. If you
know the URL (Uniform Resource Locator, the
"http://something.dot.com") of the site (which is located freely
from a number of search engines and resources, including the BSA's
own!), all it takes is 30 seconds to modify your page linking the
location of the BSA's site to your own, and another 20 or so
seconds to repost the page back to your "holding place" on the WWW.
However, *legality plays a bigger role* in the US. A local Council
may ASK POLITELY (as in Jason Council's case) NOT to link their
pages to the Council nor BSA's pages without their permission. The
"carrot" is that through "association", the local Council can
better send new graphics, information and resources to those sites
that are linked to theirs; the "stick", however, is the potential
loss of registration status which the local Council can wave over a
webmaster/Scouter and cause him or her to "come into line with us
and set up your site as we tell you or else".
Not to say that a local Council will do this without SOME price to
pay; but we're talking *legality* here, not *the
technical/physical* in this case.
Most Councils welcome sites because of the fact that it's more PR
for them to have SEVERAL ways of reaching their site instead of
one. And if your site is well-known or has a lot of local appeal,
it helps the Council's marketing of their site.
Hope this helps..I've got to go take Jessi to work!
(c) 1998 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") firstname.lastname@example.org
http://mninter.net/~blkeagle Burnsville, MN 55306-7130 (612) 435-3085
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