Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: FW: Help With Doctoral Theise
Re: FW: Help With Doctoral Theise
Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:56:46 -0700
.... I also have a question - Why do you only have about 15
minutes for an Eagle BOR? The BOR should be as long as necessary
determine whether the candidate is ready for the rank. An
limit hampers the decision...
SM, T762, TriState Area Council
Member, District Advancement Committee
Chris Haggerty wrote:
.... For Example, I think asking a Scout to recite the Scout
> Law or Oath is a Stupid Question (keep in mind you only have
* about 15 minutes for all by Eagle Boards). ...
Opps, that is a typo. It was suppose to read that you only have
about 15 minutes for all BUT Eagle Boards. Is my face red or
what. 15 minutes is not enough for an Eagle Scout Board of
Review. The times come from the National BSA Advancement
Policies and Procedures. (Pages 16-17)
"Review for Tenderfoot Through Life Ranks and Eagle Palms.
After a Scout has completed all requirements for Tenderfoot,
Second Class, First Class, Star, and Life ranks, or an Eagle
Palm, he appears before a board of review.
The review should take approximately fifteen minutes. At the
conclusion of the review, the board should know whether a boy is
qualified for the rank or Palm. ..."
"Eagle Scout Boards of Review." ... The review should take
approximately thirty minutes."
Here is some more on the other issue.
"The board should attempt to determine the Scout's ideals and
goals. The board should make sure that a good standard of
performance has been met. A discussion of the Scout Oath and
Scout Law is in keeping with the purpose of the review, to make
sure the candidate recognizes and understands the value of
Scouting in his home, unit, school, and community."
To me, reciting the Law and Oath is not much of a discussion. I
prefer to focus on points such as what does this part of the
Scout Oath mean to you and how are you living this point of the
Scout Law in your daily life. While reciting the Law and Oath
only take a few seconds, it is the tendency to continue to ask
this type of question during the board that I work hard to move
away from in BoRs.
If you ask a question at a Board of Review that has a set right
and wrong answer set, guess which answer set the Scout is going
to try and give you an answer from if he can? I had that
problem at my Eagle Scout Board of Review. They asked me a
question and I gave them a truthful answer, but it was not the
answer they wanted so they kept after me about the same
question. Realizing that they were not going to accept any
answer but the answer THEY WANTED TO HEAR, I gave it to them so
we could move on. I might as well have been talking to a brick
wall when it came to the first answer I gave them. Because they
had set answers they wanted to hear to the questions they ask,
that is what they ended up getting. Did they learn anything
about me? I doubt it, unless one of them was smart enough to
realize what had happened. When you start getting a lot of good
or excellent answers to the same question, but the answers do
not even come close to being the same, then you know you are on
the right track in prompting a good discussion of Scouting in
your Boards of Review. That's how I see it anyway.
Sierra Vista, Arizona
Legacy Systems Analyst, Anteon Corporation
Catalina Council Advancement Chairman
Instructor Trainer for Water Safety, Southern Arizona Chapter,
American Red Cross
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