Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: Registration of Non-Active Scouts
Re: Registration of Non-Active Scouts
Paul S. Wolf
Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:30:32 -0400
In response to Jim Peterson's note:
>>> I got a question to pose to the group. Here's the situation: We
>>> have about eight boys in a Venturing unit that were formerly active
>>> in our troop. Most are Star/Life scouts. My question is this; do
>>> you keep scouts on the register who aren't really active? How long?
>>> Should the Troop SM sign any advancement requirements?
Steven G. Tyler wrote:
>> That's a tough call. Frankly, as long as they're willing to be
>> registered with your unit, and either pay the dues, etc. that are
>> assessed (including the $7 registration fee, unless they pay with the
>> Venture unit), I'd be inclined to let them stay on the roster.
>> Where's the down side? I believe there is an "inactive" category for
>> Scout registration which might seem appropriate, but I believe that
>> would interfere with advancement (which requires registration as
>> "active" for several requirements).
>> The BSA rank advancement for Ventures can *only* be through the
and Bruce E. Cobern replied:
> Sorry, Steve, got to disagree with you on this one. UP TO FIRST CLASS
> this is the only way for Venturers (nee Explorers) to advance, i.e.
> withual registration. However, any Venturer who has achieved FC with
> a troopr team can continue to advance in his Venture Crew, without the
> need forual registration.
Bruce (and others) is quite right. To amplify Bruce's comments, here is
the official word:
VENTURERS and SEA SCOUTS
The following requirements apply to boys registered in the Venturing
Program (which replaced much of the Exploring program in August, 1998)
including Sea Scouts.
Any male Venturer who has achieved the First Class rank as a Boy Scout
in a troop or Varsity Scout in a team may continue advancement toward
Star, Life and Eagle Scout ranks up to his 18th birthday.
He must meet the requirements as prescribed in the official Boy Scout
Handbook and the current Boy Scout Requirements book.
The Venturer may fulfill leadership requirements by serving as
president, vice president, secretary, or treasurer of his crew, or as
boatswain, boatswain's mate, yeoman, purser, or storekeeper for his
The Scoutmaster conference will be conducted by the Advisor or Skipper.
As the Venturer meets requirements for the Star and Life ranks, a board
of review will be conducted by the crew or ship committee.
The Eagle board of review should follow the procedures established by
the local council.
Therefore, there is NO need to dual register "phantom" Scouts that never
show up at Troop activities, and are active and actively advancing in a
Venturing Crew or Sea Scout Ship. I would urge Jim to NOT reregister
them. If they are working in a Venturing Crew, and not providing any
service or benefit to the Troop, I would let the Crew handle
everything. This would also help to avid the issue, which has come up
in the past, of the boys and their parents coming back to the Troop and
asking them to organize (and foot the bill for) the Eagle Court of
As to Jim's question of "Should the Troop SM sign any advancement
requirements?", my answer would be NO, unless the boy is working with
The Eagle application has, for each Merit badge, a box for "Unit where
earned", and a place for "Joined Exploring (ie Venturing) on ____". It
is appropriate, and preferable for the Venturing Crew to "sign off" on
advancments and turn in the advancement reports for their members.
The rule for Explorers in LFL is different. It reads:
Any male Participant in the Exploring program of Learning for Life who
has achieved the First Class rank as a Boy Scout in a troop or Varsity
Scout in a team may continue advancement toward Star, Life and Eagle
Scout ranks until December 31, 1999, using the 1998 requirements.
After 1999, Explorers will be ineligible for Boy Scout advancement
unless they are also registered as members of a Boy Scout Troop, a
Varsity Scout Team, a Venturing Crew, or a Sea Scout Ship. Therefore,
IN THAT CASE, starting on 1/1/2000, they must register AND BE ACTIVE as
a member of a Troop, Crew or Ship if they wish to advance toward Eagle
Paul S. Wolf, PE mailto:Paul.S.Wolf@alum.wpi.edu
Traffic Engineer, Cuyahoga County Engineer's Office - Cleveland, Ohio
Past President, Great Lakes Region, Federation of Jewish Men's Clubs
Winding Rivers Dist. Advancement Comm., Greater Cleveland Council, BSA
Advancement Webmaster, US Scouting Service Project (www.usscouts.org)