Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: Subsidizing Other Countries
Re: Subsidizing Other Countries
Turba, Thomas N
Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:55:40 -0500
> I have been following this thread for some time and after reading Roman
> Smith's comments thought that there are a few things I should say.
> Roman is right in that there are a lot of youth (and adults) here in the
> United States that simply cannot afford to go to the World Jamboree, the
> National Jamboree, or even our national Scout camps. We, as leaders, need
> to provide our youth equivalent activities that they can afford.
> This is one of the things I have always been trying to do. It started
> when I was Scoutmaster for the troop my boys were in. We looked at going
> to Sommers canoe base but decided it cost too much so we did it ourselves.
> For $68 per person we had a week and a half canoe trip in the Boundary
> Waters. We planed the itinerary and meals, drove our own vehicles, and
> rented with we did not have and could not borrow. It was a great
> adventure and learning experience for everyone.
> We had wanted to go to Philmont but instead we did a backpacking trip to
> Isle Royale in Lake Superior (which is close for us) for less than $100
> per person.
> The troop has now gotten into fund raisers to help the boys afford trips
> to Philmont, Sea Base, and international trips as well as just paying the
> way to summer camp for those that need it. We (the troop) also pay
> registration fees any buy uniforms for Scouts that need it.
> Although I still work with the troop, I am also the International
> Representative for the Indianhead Council. I arrange international trips
> that Scouts can afford and try to get funding so more youth can
> This year we (the Indianhead Council) are only sending 7 people (4 youth
> and 3 adults) to the World Jamboree. There are many more people that
> would have loved to go but simply cannot afford it.
> This, however, is not the only international trip that we promoted this
> year. We sent 9 people (7 youth and 2 adults) to the Japanese national
> Jamboree. It only cost them about $1,800 per person because we were able
> to arrange reduced airfare.
> This summer we also sent 7 people to camp on the Black Sea with Bulgarian
> Scouts. Their 2 & 1/2 week trip only cost $1,450 per person.
> This December we are sending a group of about 15 Scouts to Costa Rica to
> camp with Scouts at their national camp, have an environmental activity at
> one of the Pacific beaches, and home stays for $950 per person. (This
> includes airfare!)
> Last year we had more Scouts (about 140) attend the Canadian National
> Jamboree just across the border in Thunder Bay than we sent to our own
> National Jamboree. It only cost them about $350 each.
> This year we hosted Scouts from Argentina, Costa Rica, and the Czech
> Republic. The Scout families that hosted them had a great international
> Scouting experience and it cost them very little.
> For the future we are looking at Jamborees in Iceland and Holland for
> 1999, a camporee in England in 2000, the XII Caribbean Camporee in 2000,
> and the next Pan American Jamboree. All of these will be much less
> expensive than the World Jamboree.
> There are lots of true international and high adventure Scouting
> experiences that we can provide our youth that are not as expensive as
> those organized or run by national. Doing something like this is a good
> learning experience for the adults who organize it as well as the youth
> who partake in it.
> I should also say that I am not opposed to helping other Scout
> organizations with higher fees for Scouts from the US, provided that this
> is really where the money goes.
> One of the Scouts we camped with in Bulgaria has a mother who is an
> anesthesiologist. She gets paid about $100 per month. Some of the
> parents are university teachers, they get paid about $60 to $70 per month.
> There is no way Scouts there can afford to go to a World Jamboree unless
> they are subsidized. And, Bulgaria is not as bad off as some other
> I really enjoy seeing how participating in an international Scouting
> activity opens the eyes and minds of our youth. It shows them that they
> really are part of a world group, that living conditions and customs are
> different in other parts of the world, that people all over the world have
> the same underlying needs, and that Scouts are Scouts all over the world.
> I know that for some of the Scouts I have taken on trips, it has changed
> their lives. That is what Scouting is all about. That's why I still do
> There are lots of things we can do to make Scouting more affordable at the
> international, national, regional, and local levels. The more we do, the
> better it is for our youth, who the program is really for.
> T. N. T.
> Thomas N. (Tom) Turba
> International Representative
> Indianhead Council, BSA
> St. Paul, Minnesota
> E-mail: Thomas.Turba@Unisys.com