Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Leaderless Den, no Pack Support
Leaderless Den, no Pack Support
Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:21:00 -0400
This is an issue with a Pack in Gwinnett County Georgia but I hope
(unfortunately) is not unique and some help might be provided by those on
Last year the Pack (which is a large pack with over 100 scouts) had enough
Tigers for two dens (12 in one 6 in the other). The division of who goes
into which den was made by the Committee Chairman, although he now claims
that he let the scouts decide.
When the dens were formed, volunteers for leaders and assistants for each of
the dens were obtained. However, within a week of forming the dens the
leader for the 6 scout den opted out. The Assistant leader (who is also an
assistant leader for another den) agreed to assume leadership for the Tiger
year only. The Committee Chairman agreed to this and agreed that he would
find another leader by the time they became wolfs.
You guessed it. No leader was found. The Committee Chairman now states he
was not aware of the one year agreement. And now the den has no leader. As
a result, although the pack has been active since mid-august, this den is
not active for the first two months (and counting) of their wolf year.
The 12 scout den is down to 9 (8 plus one from the other den). The 6 scout
den is down to 4. ( 5 minus one who was allowed to transfer to the other den).
The Committee Chairman and the Cubmaster state that they have done all they
can to try and find a leader. What they have done is invite the four scouts
to the pack meeting and stand them in front of the pack and announce that
they need a leader for these scouts. They have also called the parents of
the four scouts and told them that one of them has to step forward. All
have legitimate reasons why they cannot be leader from work travel
schedules, health problems and family situations, already scout leaders,
etc. Although none can be leaders two have indicated a willingness to be
To exacerbate the situation, the Pack has also registered 3 more wolf scouts
into this leaderless den. (Don't ask - This perhaps ia another thread why
they would sign up more scouts if they cannot take care of the ones they
have. The reason given is that this pack has a "strong history of never
turning away a boy that wants to be a scout"). So the Cubmaster is now
looking at it as a 7 scout problem, when it actually started as a 4 scout
The Cubmaster has finally stated that there is nothing more that he can do.
- That if one of the parents doesn't step forward to be a leader then these
scouts will continue to be without a program. It appears that the Cubmaster
and Committee Chairman have washed their hands of the issue. (And I thought
we were in this for the scouts).
Have the Den Leader Coach take over until a permanent solution can be found
you suggest? Well, the den leader coach is also the Committee Chairman and
he is not willing to do so.
Suggestions that have been made include:
- The scouts transfer to another pack. While this is possible, none of the
affected scouts want to do this for several reasons including friends and
other brothers in this pack, relation of this pack to their church and school.
- Combine the dens. The other den leader initially agreed to this but has
since declined. Although somehow one of the affected scouts has been
accepted by this leader. (if the leader is willing to accept on then they
should be willing to accept all, but this is not the case). This would have
the effect of a 13 scout den with one leader and four assistant leaders.
- Reshuffle the dens. Nobody has asked the parents in the other den if
they would be willing to be a leader. Nobody has pressed the issue as one
affecting ALL wolf scouts. About half of the wolf scouts have parents that
have been cub leaders in the past.
- Ask the parents of the scouts to be co-leaders. None are willing to do
this since they all perceive that this will cause one of them to be the lead
leader, which none is capable of doing.
- Ask the assistant leader who acted as leader last year to act as leader
until a solution can be found. Obviously, he is not willing to do this
since the track record is that finding a leader will not pursued.
- Call the DE and ask for assistance. This has not been pursued because
these scouts really want to stay with this pack and it is perceived that
such a call would create political problems for the scout of the parent who
makes the call and overall create a situation of animosity.
What does the wisdom of the list suggest. Thanks in advance.