Scouts-L Mail Archive for October of 1998: Re: boys from other Packs in your den program
Re: boys from other Packs in your den program
Kenneth P. Utz
Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:17:26 -0500
Regarding your noble effort to help 2 Bears from another Pack:
Watch your downside. This could be a loser, big time, and there really is
no upside for you.
Background: I am CM of a large Pack, 92 boys this year with a fantastic
Committee Chairperson, equally involved Den Leaders, and many active
parents that come together as a Committee to plan and implement GREAT Pack
Activities in a large Dallas suburb that very actively supports scouting at
A few years ago we were approached by some parents that wanted to leave
their pack to join ours - either they were unhappy or what didn't matter.
What did matter was that we had a great program, and the taking of a few
scouts led to a charge of "stealing" members, "recruiting away" scouts and
parents that were active, etc. Fortunately we had been in many prior
discussions with both the unit commissioner and District Unit Commissioner,
and District Executive, but even with their support were unable to stem the
onslaught of some pretty unscoutlike charges that were untrue. We even
offered to assist the other Pack with joint activities and the lending some
of our leadership to help their pack and committee! Meanwhile, the kids
(and their parents) determined they were going to have to leave scouting
forever, because they couldn't get the program they needed at the one pack,
and we couldn't (politically) bring them into our pack! AREN'T WE IN THIS
FOR THE BOYS?
We finally took them in, and our pack gained with their spirit and energy,
but suffered with the verbal slaughter of the other pack's leadership. The
other pack eventually turned over its leadership within their ranks and
continues to struggle. We try to avoid the issue, quietly, but believe me,
the downside is tough. Every boy that wants to join our pack from their
"area" raises the issue, even to this day - and its not fair, because boys
like to be in packs with their friends. And face it, people talk and
therefore find out about packs with great programs!
Kenneth P. Utz
ASM Troop 221, CM Pack 200
Just a plain 'ole (Plano) Texan, and a good 'ole Antelope, too, but I will
forever be an Eagle.