Scouts-L Mail Archive for September of 1998: Picking Patrols
David F. Delman
Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:42:21 -0400
<<22 Sep 1998 12:09:44 Kevin Woods <kswoods@CHRISTA.UNH.EDU>>
<<24 Sep 1998 14:30:47 Kevin Woods <kswoods@CHRISTA.UNH.EDU>>
<< Subject: Picking Patrols Followup
Yeah your right t'is a bit of a problem.
No, This should not be a PLC decision. IHMO at the top,
the PLC, SM and other key active adults should discuss =
why patrols of 10, 5, and 2 don't work and move on.
BSA's stuff tells us that 8 is top and in my own personal
observations they or Baden the Powell himself, are right.
Beyond and even at 8, a boy gets lost or forgotten in the
normal patrol and troop group dynamics. 7, 6 and 5 are =
FAR better numbers to add full scouting vitality to each
scout and each patrol. EACH scout NEEDED to SHARE the
load rather than a free loader, or who cares if he comes.
So if I was sitting in your NH hiking boots with your =
difficulty I would do the following.
Still "Line yourselves Up Boys" is the preferred maxim.
Boys will like to be with certain boys is the bottom
line a PH'd Philosophy Teacher in his spare earning
time once told me was his "On Campout" Observation.
Anything we do to alter this observation usually =
requires more cleverness and work.
The SM or h/is(er) designeee sets the rules
and then adjusts the Line Up.
1>"OK 17 guys makes for 3 BSA equal patrols with no =
more than 6 scouts per patrol" is One Option
(SM/2nd is flexible if it comes out 5 7 5)
2>Knowing the boys, their ranks, your weekly program,
and the new Webs coming in MODIFY THEIR line up.
Your CAREFUL modification will allow your troop to
bring these new boys into ONE patrol. I'm assuming
the new Webs are all the same age. Based upon your
knowledge you might accept 5 8 4 so the 4 patrol
can suck these boys in as a unit. Keeping them
together often will help their future retention.
If the 5 older end up together great.
Most scouts will adjust so fast to your straining =
them restriction, you will wonder why you asked.
<<--Comments on a few of the other notes -->>
<<24 Sep 1998 10:38:35 Scott Mace <smace@LBOW.COM>>
<<23 Sep 1998 17:19:35 Matt Mauney <mauneym@CONCENTRIC.NET>>
Matt, you are right about 11th graders not wanting =
to be with 6th graders. 9th graders with 6th graders
is also a poor mix and so on down the line. =
Matt as SPL, Scott as CC, =
Watch how your patrols of 10 work.
EVERY Boy should have a JOB, a PATROL leadership =
position and be NEEDED as much as possible to perform
something on every campout or event. Too often these =
big patrols end up with a lot of "tag-alongs" doing
nothing but "hanging around" A FEW doing all the work.
I really recommend you break it into 2 patrols
with 2 PLs 2 APLs 2 QuarterMasters 2 GrubMasters
etc. Each boy can't "tag along" or be missed and
more importantly is REQUIRED to DO SOMETHING that
serves to keep HIS scout SKILLS in tune.
The 10 can still hang close on campouts yet =
EACH SCOUT DOES something.
For your troop this could mean 6 patrols rather
than 3. Think of the vitality added by doubling
the patrols and the Troop Leadership. It will be
like an immediate Population Mind / Energy Boom.
It adds more room for the boys and the adults.
The change I recommend may be hard to make since:
"More work, accountability, and responsibility
doesn't seem like the best SALES pitch for the =
The only other thing to judge for the older guys
is their other commitments that keep them from
always attending. If your 10 patrol mostly performs
like a 5 patrol at the meetings and campouts with
different guys involved each time then you have
a situation that requires lots of flexibility.
So, Watch the Dynamics, See if it is Dynamic,
and Think about changing if it isn't Dynamic.
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Baden-Powell Council=