A long help request
Dale Karweik (karweik.1@OSU.EDU)
Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:40:27 -0400
I am hoping the list members can help me with what might be
a personal problem - it is Scout related and doesn=92t concern the
About two years ago my wife served on the brainstorming committee to
determine what the Cub leaders would want if the Council were to build a
Cub World. She asked me to supply ideas and drawings for some of
the sites and I was happy to help.
This year an implementation committee was put together and again included
my wife, a number of representative of local construction firms and a few
others. They looked at several potential properties south of
Columbus, but after considering costs and population densities decided to
use an existing camp as the proposed Cub World site.
Camp Lazarus is unique in the Simon Kenton Council. It recently
celebrated its 75th
anniversary and is the only Council property that may have had Baden
Powell walk on it. It was the site of Boy Scout summer camp in its
early years and has been the site of many District day camps. It is also
the site of the only large structure, the Exchange Lodge, for having more
than 80 people sleep over night in a single cabin. In the last few
years it served as the site of the fledgling Cub resident camp, a Cub
trainer Wood Badge Course and several Leader and Junior Leader Training
Conferences. When the Council President suggested two years ago
that the camp was too valuable to keep and that it should be considered a
salable property, I and a very large number of present and former Scouts
and Scouters were horrified and started to mount a vigorous campaign to
keep the camp. When he stepped down the sale of the camp started to
Before the rental of a large portion of the property to an outside
organization, logging of all the oak, maple and chestnut trees over
20" in diameter, and the institution of weekend Cub programs, Camp
Lazarus may have been the most heavily used camp in the Council for
Scout, District, Training and OA programs.
I had suggested Camp Lazarus as a potential site for Cub World and drew
up a site location plan that would easily fit all of Cub World on the
south side of the camp. This would localize the 7 areas in easily
walk-able locations, would provide separation and privacy for each
site, would provide for the parking suggested by the committee,
would have a separate off-highway entrance, and would allow the Council
to maintain and develop the rest of the camp for Boy Scout and Training
usage. However, this would require ending the lease to the
outdoor adventure company which has established itself in this
area. The Cub World committee has chosen to convert all of
un-rented portions of the camp into Cub World. This is a
significantly larger camp than requested by the visioning=20
I need to know from the list:
In other Councils where a Cub World program was implemented,
1. Was it successful enough to occupy the camp year round?
2. Was there an option for use by both Cub Scout and Boy Scout units
after summer camp was over?
3. Was the Cub World a replacement or an addition to the Council=92s
4. Were any restrictions implemented for renting parts of Cub World by
Scouts or other camps by Cubs when Cub World was opened?
For anyone in the state of Ohio, have any Council camps had entrances
closed because the State Highway Department wanted to eliminate left turn
access on divided highways?
What is the legal and financial experiences of other Councils that have
leased a sizable portion of one of their camps to a private organization
which according to the terms of the lease is the primary occupant during
the period of the lease?
Thank you for your assistance in helping me sort out what has become a
very emotional issue, for me at least.
Troop 417 Scoutmaster Emeritus and ASM
Buckeye District Boy Scout RT Commissioner
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