Anthony Mako (ajmako@NLS.NET)
Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:41:57 -0400
<Scott Said, snipped>
After watching this thread develop, I now feel compelled to bring my very
liberal views to the table. My first question to everyone is this, do any
of the Cub Scouts know what she does for a living? ... so as long as none of
the scouts have seen her work, they are probably unaffected by what so many
people are referring to as "bad morals." I'm sure that she still teaches
the Scout Oath and Law as they are meant to be taught when she is working
with her Cub Scouts.
There are two things wrong with your statement. First, you're assuming she
is not sufficiently proud enough of her occupation to tell her Scouts what
she does for a living. What would you propose she say if her Scouts asked?
You seem to be condemning the list for believing that stripping is "bad
morals," yet proposing that the CM shouldn't tell anyone what she does for a
living. Somehow I don't think that'll make everything alright.
<Scott continued, not snipped>
As for the religious argument, for those of you who are preaching the Bible
as the only or primary guidance, keep in mind that the Bible was written by
humans, and that like any historical document, it will include opinions of
Why should I keep in mind something I don't believe? Since I believe in the
Bible, and it is the primary source of guidance in my spiritual life, I KNOW
is was written by human hands through divine inspiration. It is the word of
God put down by human hands, not a human interpretation of God's words. The
same goes for the Koran, Torah, and every other guiding source you can think
To be reverent means simply that you need to have faith in a god. It does
not mean that you need to prescribe to any sort of organized religion at
all. If a scout follows the ideas of Deism (which is more a school of
thought than religion in which God is viewed as the maker of the universe
and that's about all) then he is allowed to do so. It appears quite
narrow-minded to me for someone to not be willing to look beyond the Bible.
It appears quite narrow-minded to me to say that a Scout's duty to be
reverent means ONLY having faith in a god. It is quite clear to me that a
Scout also has a duty to practice that faith the way he is taught to by his
parents and religious leaders. He also has a duty to be tolerant of other
If someone preaches to you that the Bible is the only word of God, it is
true he is not being tolerant of your beliefs (if they are different). On
the other hand, if you attack him for being intolerant, are you any
different than he?
This brings me to my next question.... Does everyone really feel that strip
clubs are just houses of lust which incite people to cheat on their spouses?
Why is pornography and nudity so wrong? Have you ever considered that it is
actually a safer outlet for sexual frustration than many other outlets? If
I were to ask all of the married women I know if they would rather have
their husband find solace in a strip club and pornographic magazine or
another woman, what do you think they would say? I'm sure some would say
neither, but any good psychologist would tell you that sexual fantasies and
finding safe outlets for these fantasies is important.
[PING] Sure, why should we even have marriages anyway! Why not just put all
the women in a little room so we men can sit back, drink a few brews, and
pick and choose the one we'd like to have tonight? Maybe we should put
together a female catalogue so we can mail-order a partner. After all, if we
can't find someone to satisfy our fantasies for the rest of our lives, why
should we even be looking?
Something tells me if you asked all the married women your question and the
result was overwhelmingly "NONE OF THE ABOVE" you wouldn't accept that as an
answer. Most of the married women I know (I said MOST, not SOME), would
rather their husbands find solace at home with their wives.
OK, everyone, get ready to flame me now..... I have said to many friends
that I feel Boy Scouts and the traditional BSA establishment is the largest
fascist organization in the United States. I feel as if all the times I
said that to people was just supported by many of the closed-minded posts
that I saw regarding this situation.
Would you mind explaining this?
AJ Mako, firstname.lastname@example.org, Scoutmaster Troop 381
http://members.aol.com/Scouts381/ "Home of the Unofficial Boy Scout Desktop
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