Re: New Rules for Local Tour Permits?
Tim Hewitt (thewitt@FAIRCHILDSEMI.COM)
Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:07:12 -0500
"Theodore F. Argo III" <t.argoiii@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote:
> Why not make up a master list of drivers and vehicles for the entire unit,
> then forward this list to Council for each activity? (Shhh, that's what we
> do already: hope it's OK)
This falls into the same league as "ask for donations of gear and not money,
since asking for money is illegal," as far as I'm concerned.
The Local Tour Permit is _supposed_ to be used to provide accurate and up to
date information on each and every trip, to provide accurate and up to date
information on who is going, who is driving, what vehicle they are taking,
what their insurance status is, etc. Filling out "master" Tour Permits a year
in advance, or photo-copying the full information page is working around the
regulation, not supporting it. Do you check your drivers to see that they have
paid their insurance premium? Do they have a valid drivers license? By rights
you should be checking this for every trip.
What if a driver bails out at the last minute and your replacement driver is
not on your permit (he wouldn't be if you followed the rules exactly). Do you
cancel the trip? FAX a new copy to Council? Wake up your DE if you are leaving
for your trip at 4:00am? What if a Scout shows up at the last minute prepared
to go - but he's not on the permit because he only decided last night? Do you
keep him from going? No, you cheat (we all do) and either put all possible
drivers for a trip on the permit, or go with a slightly out-of-date permit.
Councils that say Tour Permits need to be only estimates of who is going and
why are making this cheating more palatable, but aren't they putting
themselves at risk if these things are really being used for liability reasons?
I have a personal problem with requiring a Local Tour Permit for _all_
overnight activities, _except_ Council sponsored activities. Why the
distinction? Can't we get in an accident just as easily driving to a Council
event as a Troop event? Do you fill one out if you sleep over at your regular
meeting place? What if your regular meeting place includes an outdoor campsite?
I see this as an extension of the "Useless Paperwork Act," and although I see
no easy way to change the system, we need to be careful or pretty soon we will
be asking for permission slips to attend regular weekly meetings. I know we
are living in a litigious society and this is all about CYA, but sometimes
these little extra zings just get my goat.
And yes, I still close a deal on a handshake, I'll take your word that you'll
do what you said you would, and I'll even take your personal check, and yes I
do occasionally get burned - but the alternative would burn me inside much worse.
Tim Hewitt, Scoutmaster
Troop 350, Old Orchard Beach, Maine
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City