Re: DESIGN A CAMP! (fairly long)
Mark Arend (arend@CENTURYINTER.NET)
Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:24:51 -0500
You can't get Troops to attend if you don't have an air-conditioned dining
hall? How about valet service & breakfast in bed? I was at the Boulder
Junction canoe base (the old Region 7 base) the year before it closed and
they didn't even have a dining hall--it had caved in from the snow the
previous winter. They salvaged what they could and we sat under a whole lot
of flys (mostly the big green kind, not the small buzzing kind).
But seriously folks...
Sounds like you've got a good idea there. If there are plenty of
"traditional" type camps in the area you have to offer something different
to draw units in--both in and out of Council. Here's what I'd do:
1-- Design a great program, something special & unique that will draw them
like flies (small, buzzing kind).
2-- Get a consensus in your Council that this is the way to go. If you
don't have a broad base of support it'll never work.
3-- Plan the camp facilities that will best support your program.
4-- Publicize like crazy & make sure that everyone has a great time
(especially that first year).
At 10:19 PM 8/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>The Georgia-Carolina Council has owned a large (500 acre) property on Clarks
>Hill Lake (along the border of GA and SC) for 20+ years, known as Camp Robert
>Knox. This is a beautiful piece of property with over 5 miles of shoreline and
>incredible potential. It is currently undeveloped with only a shelter and
>storage building. The council plan is to turn the existing camp (Camp Linwood
>Hayne), which has been encroached upon by industrial properties) into a Cub
>Day Camp and Scout Training Center. The National engineering staff has been to
>Camp Knox and designed a beautiful up-to-date, state of the art BSA Class A
>camp. The cost to develop the camp is only $6,000,000!
>I have been asked to help with the fundraising and for my opinion on camp
>development. Here are my initial thoughts and I would like opinions and
>insight from the list.
>First of all, six million dollars is a lot of money for a small council
>centered on a moderately sized metropolitan area (Augusta, GA).
>Secondly, if we develop the camp with all of the standard facilities, then we
>have a camp that is equivalent to, but also the same as, our other regional
>camps (Bob Hardin, Old Indian, Dan Boone, Rainey Mountain, Ravens Knob,
>HoNonWah, Barstow). We will be competing with other well established camps for
>out of council troops, and our current council boy camp participation is not
>sufficient to meet a sustaining summer camp program for a larger camp (my
>Thirdly, it is probably not economically feasible to instantly build a
>whopping Class A camp, and a piecemeal building of a camp will not allow us to
>develop a program that can be marketed.
>My thoughts about developing the camp are to use its assets (shoreline, water,
>relative wildness) and build a high adventure type, fairly rough camping,
>spend five hours a day in the water or canoe 50 miles, type camp. When we
>offer the pioneering MB, we build a tower in the water. Our trek adventure is
>a 50 mile lake canoeing trip while sleeping on the islands. We sail, boat and
>swim. We offer all tradional camp MB's but with a centralized focus on the
>lake. There would be a centralized, but very nice, shower facility, a chow
>line with screened mess hall and ceiling fans, with troop campsites having
>platforms or screened adirondacks. My peers tell me that we can't get outside
>troops to attend unless we have an air conditioned mess hall, and all kinds of
>personal amenities. I believe that we can build a "different" style camp that
>will appeal to many regional scouts and scouters. It will be a cross between
>high adventure and traditional camps and will cost much, much less than a
>I would value all of your opinions. What do you think? Would you come to a
>camp that did not have an air conditioned dining hall? Would your scouts. How
>would you develop 500 acres on the lake that is basically a promontory
>surrounded on three sides by water?
>SMT110, Fox, staffer, Jambo SM, Beaver
Mark W. Arend
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