Re: Remember Scouting is a Safe Haven...
Tim Hewitt (thewitt@FAIRCHILDSEMI.COM)
Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:18:32 +0000
Richard Hunt <jc4x4@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> -- Tim Hewitt wrote: (snip it)
> > I'm not a social worker, I'm a Scoutmaster. I'm willing to bet that
> not many of you are trained in social work and counceling either. We
> get by the best we can, but it's not our job.
> I'm not here to babysit, provide social or counceling
> > services, or to act as a distraction to someone who has to be
> medicated in order to "fit in" to our society.
> I wonder what you do with your kids since your not a
> councelier, give them your medical card and send them
These boys are not my kids. I take personal responsibility for my kids to make
sure that they are not disruptive, are well behaved, and live up to high
personal standards. It is not the job of someone else at camp or otherwise to
make sure my kids will behave in a reasonable manner in a group. It is my job,
as their father, and it is done long before my kids go off to camp. Expecting
a camp councelor or Scoutmaster to fill that role in my children's lives is
not a valid expectation on my part.
If I felt, or had heard, that my children were a problem, I would attend the
next camping trip, Scout meeting, soccer game, school activity, or whatever,
and understand the problem myself. I would then fix the behavior problems or
my kids would no longer attend these events. Activities like Scouting are a
privlege in my children's lives, not a given. Privleges can be removed if they
are abused or not appreciated.
I am very involved in my children's lives. Most parents of disruptive children
are not - probably why they continue to be disruptive.
> While it is true the majority of us are not trained in
> counceling we do make decisons as parents and most of
> the time common sence parenting works. For those rare
> cases then someone should talk to the parents of the
> child causing the problems to seek help for the child.
As I said, I am not the parent of my Scouts. I am their leader in Scouting.
There is a big difference here. I don't wany my sons or daughter to be
"parented" by their Scout leaders and I hope you don't either.
Remember the source of this thread. We are talking about the small percentage
of children who make the program unworkable for the majority. If their parents
are not willing to be a part of the program to keep their kids in line, I am
not willing to sacrifice the program for their kids.
> As far a medicating to fit in, I am glad you will not
> be my sons SM if you have a problem with this since
> he has ADD and takes medication when at activities to
> help him concentrate. This in no way makes him any less
> of a scout. In fact he loves scouts so much if I told
> him he no longer could be in scouts due to his ADD he
> would be devistated.
I am sure you work hard to make sure this is the right solution for your son,
and I that's between you and you Doctor. I will tell you that I have sent kids
home from youth camps who where so medicated that they could not function -
taking their physician's perscribed dose of "whatever." I have also refused
to take kids on high-adventure camps who were medical risks. I am not trained
to handle them and I will not put their lives, or the lives of the rest of my
group, in danger to give a special needs child this "experience." As a parent,
if I had a special-needs child, I would expect no less honesty in my child's
If you are skilled in the management of this child and want to come along and
take personal responsibility, that's one thing. If you want to simply dump
this child off on me and make him my problem, that's quite another entirely.
I would hold the same standards for your son as I would anyone else in my
Troop. If he comes to camp to learn, work on Scouting, and does his best,
he'll be welcomed with open arms. If he comes to camp to disrupt or simply yo
get attention - he'll be sent home.
[irrational arguments delted]
> I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm flaming but it just
> gets to me when people look at kids that a little help
> as problem children.
As it get to me when parents dump their kids on others and expect full
service, 7x24 individualized care for their child, to the detriment of the
troop, the camp, and the community. Any child is welcome to come camping with
my troop on any trip - provided they do not force the trip to abort for their
selfishness or come unprepared to meet the challenge.
For someone physically handicapped, they are more than welcome to participate
and I will give them 100% of my time when it's their turn. They and their
parents must simply understand that it's not going to be their turn 100% of my day.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City