Re: Camp problem (long)
dexter Lovrien (case@CYBERHIGHWAY.NET)
Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:43:34 -0700
> Had a small unit with one leader join us in campsite. I am now involved in
> removing hm from Scouting.
> Never did this before, need data, need it from outside Central region so I
> don't potentially ruin the case were it to get to regional appeal.
> Will share complete details with someone who can give me the facts straight.
> Tom Petrik
Some points you might consider regarding removing a fellow Scouter from
1. Right now, sit down and write down EVERYTHING regarding the
situation. Make some copies and keep one copy for your self. Later,
this copy can serve to refresh your memory and remind you of some of the
2. Personally deliver a copy of your account of the situation and your
concerns to your Council Executive. Don't bother with the District
Exec, or committee chairs. Any problem I can think of that would result
in the BSA inviting someone to LEAVE the program will end up on the
Council Exec's desk any way. This will give you an opportunity to lay
it all out for him, by-passing any "spin" or misunderstanding your
report may pick up along the way. (If you feel there a problem, drop it
right in his lap, that's why he is paid the big bucks.) Talk it over
with him completely, and frankly. (I've dealt with several CE's over
the years and have found them _all_ to be very understanding and
concerned about anything harmful to the program in general and the
Scouts in particular.) Once he is informed, back off and let him do his
job. He will follow whatever guidelines National has laid out for this
sort of situation.
3. Keep a log of each step you have taken and who you have delt with
and when. (CYA!!!)
4. Don't hold your breath waiting for the Council Exec to get back to
you with a report or follow-up. He is probably not going to be able to
say much more than, "Thank you for bring this situation to our
attention, we _have_ taken care of the matter."
5. While we never seem to have enough Scouters involved, there is _no_
room for one who endangers, in any way, Scouts, Scouters, the public or
the Boy Scouts of America.
6. Regarding your last sentence, while I'm as concerned/interested as
the next guy/gal as to exactly what prompted you to feel you need to
have someone removed from Scouting, I would suggest that this sort of
matter would probably be best delt with on a need-to-know basis. While
we on the list can try to help you out as best we can, I see no reason
you _need_ to provide any of us with any of the details. You are
already smack dab in the middle of a nasty mess, it won't help matters
if you tell us _all_ about it. You would only be exposing yourself to
more problems. (CYA once again)
8. Again, take the matter to your Council Exec and trust him to follow
through. He has more than likely had, unfortunately, to deal with this
sort of situation in the past. If you have a "bad apple" in your
basket, your CE has the means to get rid of the "bad apple" while
protecting the BSA and you. Work with him.
It is too bad that you find yourself in a situation like this. Thank
you for not looking the other way. Scouts today live in a world
dangerous enough without being endangered within our program. Thank you
for helping to ensure their safety! I hope this is the only "bad apple"
you encounter along Scouting's trails.
Dexter R. Lovrien
Apache Junction, AZ
former Scoutmaster T-113 Austin, MN
ASM Jamboree '89
SM Jamboree '93
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City