Re: Eagle palms
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:02:57 -0400
At 09:27 AM 6/19/98 -0400, Raymond J. Doubleday wrote:
> it looks like you could either
> 1. hold firm to the rules (exactly 3 mo)
The ONLY choice.
> 2. be a little flexible
> if it we me I would say to the BOR you can either meet on the 16th
> and a. sign it off
A clear violation of the rules. Three months from March 18th is June 18th.
Until June 18th he has NOT fulfilled the requirements for the palm and,
hence, is not eligible for the Board.
> or b. post date it 2 days
A Scout is TRUSTWORTHY. What you are advocating is clearly not that. I had
a Scout in my district who had a problem fitting in the six months between
life and Eagle. I had spoken to him after he had turned 17.5 and he was not
yet Life. Then an advancement report arrived showing him making Life with
enough time to make Eagle. The only problem was that on the night that he
supposedly had his Life board we were BOTH at a Lodge Executive Committee
meeting. Needless to say, his advancement ended at Life.
Frankly, I am a little surprised that anyone on a Scouting newsgroup would
publicly advocate being dishonest or, actually, engaging in fraud.
> or they could meet on the 18th and have another BOR
Or on any date thereafter.
> In no case should the advancement be delayed do to a lack of a BOR
> The scout did the work and is entitled to the award, the adults are
> there to serve the scouts not put up artificial barriers to
> advancement( like convenient meeting times, or we only meet once a
And the Scout is entitled to have the committee make a REASONABLE effort to
accommodate him. Until the delay becomes unreasonable the Scout has
absolutely NO complaint.
For example, a Scout has his Star board ON his 17th birthday. At that
point, the ONLY date on which he can have his Life board is on the very day
he turns 17.5, if he still is to have time to make Eagle. While it would be
nice if the committee could arrange to hold a board on that date to
accommodate him, I don't believe it is under any obligation to do so. The
reason for this predicament is entirely of the Scout's making, so should it
not work out, the responsibility rests with the SCOUT, not with the committee.
And, frankly, if the committee has a standing policy of holding boards once
a month that is fine, and it is something the Scout was aware of so, again,
the fact that he did not allow himself enough time to be accommodated by
that schedule is HIS problem, not theirs.
> One troop I know of has a continuos BOR at each troop meeting>
> If a scout is ready his BOR is immediate. That , IMHO, is proper adult
> support of a Troop program.
That's fine, but IMO totally unnecessary.
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City