Re: Forgive my ignorance (regarding PLCs)
Rick Cordray (rickc@IMAGE-TECH.COM)
Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:35:06 -0700
Getting the patrol system up and running has been our troop goal for a year,
and we figure it will take another year or so to make it fully functional.
Prior to that, adults had created and run most of the program. I've seen
great growth in our youth leaders and really believe the "boy run troop" is
the way to go. But I also see limits to the capability and capacity of the
boy run troop, and would like opinions from the list on how far boy
leadership can go.
We recently had a serious safety and discipline incident created by one of
our patrol leaders. This was not the first instance of bad judgement and
dangerous behavior by this Scout. We hauled out the troop disciplinary
policy (written by the troop committee a few years ago), assembled the
disciplinary committee (SM, ASM, CC, and advancement chair), met with the
Scout and his parents, and agreed to an action plan. We consulted with the
SPL to advise him of what we were doing, but did not include him directly
My question is how should the PLC be involved in discipline?
Some observations: After a year of effort trying to get the PLC to work as
the planning and decision making group in the troop, I've observed that
12-14 year olds are not well prepared to be planners or managers and deal
with all the details. Our first 2 or 3 PLCs last year were horrible - it
could take 2 hours to decide who was going to do the flag ceremony next
week. (I now use this as a sales pitch to new parents - your sons will
learn how to run and particpate in meetings, which they don't get in
school). After a year, our PLC is lots better and actually gets things
done. In another year, things will be better still. But we're a troop with
over 60 scouts that has 20-30 activities a year, goes to 2 summer camps, and
ran $30K through our treasury in the last year. I'm still struggling with
the ultimate role of the PLC. I want them to plan, organize, and lead their
own activities as much as possible, but I'm not sure we would be a better
troop if we conducted a program that was manageable by the PLC.
Yours in Scouting,
Committee Chair, Troop 573, Woodinville, WA
Eagle Advancement Coordinator, North Lakes District
Chief Seattle Council
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:32:37 -0500
> From: "settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)"
> Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance
> >I have never heard PLC addressed in my sons' troop of 50+.
> I'm sorry that your Troop chooses not to emphaize this important element
> Troop leadership and ownership. The Senior Patrol Leader and his Patrol
> Leaders and others should be managing the Troop's program, should be
> Troop program and should be the ones that make the major decisions on
> matters. The Scoutmaster and his or her Assistants and Junior Assistants
> merely make things happen for the leaders of the Troop.
> Hope this brief answer helps out....we're under storms here, and I've got
> Jessi telling me to "turn it all off!!", so I've got to get off of
> Mike Walton
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City