Re: Uniform Pants
Dave Yanke (n9ssg@POBOX.COM)
Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:01:33 -0500
> I beg to differ on the issues presented on the last post concerning
> As a professionals myself, my Scout Executive and I, both encourage
> uniform banks. We tell parents at every school night that uniforms are
> available at the Scout shop, but to try looking at garage sales, second
> hand stores, or even ask neighbors with older boys. As a youth in the
> program, every DE that served our district openly supported our troops
> uniform bank, and several of them actively sought donations from
We have a tendency to beat things to death on this list (ala: 3 pot issue) and I
guess I am kinda contributing to it now, but....
My original reply was a good hearted dig at the poster who on the previous
message had stated the need to follow policy when it came to a boy "catching
up" but then was taking a poll regarding this.
Truth be told, while I wouldn't exactly call most of our families "affluent", they
are comfortable. Because of this, in our Den we are pushing our young men
(and their parents) to have them earn the money themselves for uniforms rather
then have it handed to them.
I find it difficult at best, to believe that there is a Pack/Troop somewhere that
can't find some sort of chores in the neighbourhood or community that would
not allow the boys to raise the money.
I'm about to hear my grandfather channel thru me but, I by no means come
from money. Many times for things like this I went and mowed lawns, washed
cars, cleaned out garages, etc. to raise it. ( I also walked to school, 15 miles
uphill there and 22 miles uphill back in 3 feet of snow in the unbearable heat of
August) There were times I couldn't, sometimes someone helped me,
sometimes I just didn't participate or get to go.
I guess the point I am trying to make is the uniform serves many functions and
some that are not apparent. It makes the boys feel part of the group or team. It
sets them apart. It holds them to a higher standard and it helps them realize
that there are certain requirements that need to be fulfilled to meet these
standards, and as such, instils a sense of pride. Boys act and walk different,
no matter how slight, when they have on a uniform.
If you choose not to require full uniform from your boys, fine. But they and you
should be aware that they are not in full uniform nor compliance with policies
and, as such, should never receive a %100 rating at inspection time.
I will be the first to tell you, if it comes to a choice between policy and the boy,
the boy wins hands down. My whole drawn out point is that you and the boys
need to realize that there is a policy, it is something we need to strive to
adhere to and that when an exception is made, it is just that and is not to be
regarded as the norm or a correction to a poor policy. We have either bent or
somehow else worked a policy to deal with situations within our den. We make
sure all are aware what we are doing and why. We then strive to correct it to
get back on track.
Lowering standards is not he answer. If there are real, valid reasons for change
or an update. It needs to be pushed for at a national level. But it needs to be
based on the majority, not the least common denominator. Until such time,
current policies need to be observed. If I move from Chicago to a Pack/Troop in
San Jose, the requirements should the same with little or no exception.
When these men hit the workforce, their not going to be wearing jeans at Arthur
Anderson, Nortel or DuPont. They all have their own "uniform".
Dave Yanke - Pack 335
ASM, DL, DLC and all around reasonable guy (if you don't count M thru F 9-5)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City