Re: Originally males in BSA, now GSUSA bashing
Kevin Pate (kevinpate@YAHOO.COM)
Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:30:46 -0700
---Sharon Hahn digest <Hahnhaven@AOL.COM> wrote:
> First of all, Girl Scouts is no different than Boy Scouts, except it
is > female.
First, permit me to say, I am a major BSA and GSUSA
FAN!!! And I intend to be one for life. However,
there are some differences. Whether I agree or not with such policy
differences, is irrelevant. The differences do exist, as a fellow
BSA/GSUSA dad and I have been discussing in recent days.
For example, in BSA, it would be possible, if men failed to step
forward, to have a den, a whole pack, or a troop, whether there are
three boys or 60, that is 100% female leadership. In GSUSA, unless I
misunderstand the regs., and please correct me if I do, there is no
way, if females failed to step forward, for concerned fathers to
comprise 100% of a GSUSA Troop leadership , whether we are talking
about 3 Daisys or 60 Senior Girl Scouts. In the absence of at least one
female leader, even a female completely disinterested in the program
but who shows up at someone's pleading, a group of girls could be
denied the experience of Scouting.
Camping is another. In BSA, a den mom can sleep with her own child in
a tent. In GSUSA, if I understand correctly, a male can not sleep
with his daughter in a tent, even if that means she misses a camp
experience because she is young enough and timid enough to be afraid
of night noises. In BSA, a female leader, so far as I understand it,
camps with the troop, at the troop site. In GSUSA, even in a male
friendly council like mine, it is encouraged to move the troop camped
trained father or male co-leader to a separate campsite. Here, it
doesn't require the dad to be on the other side of the meadow, but
some posts seem to indicate the dad can't even be on the council camp
property. Whether that's policy, poor training, or unwarranted bias
in those other areas, it was not clear from the posts.
>They don't smoke, drink or cuss, just like BSA leaders don't smoke,
drink or cuss.
I will assume we all recognize that yes, some leaders are better than
others, in training, in communication and in personal habits. Thus,
in GSUSA, and yes, in BSA, you will find leaders who smoke, who drink
and who cuss. You will also find youth who do these things, all the
more reason we need the programs to reach those very youth.
> On the subject of camping together, my older Girl Scout troop just
> weekend camping with a Boy Scout troop for 2 nights, gasp, and had a
> time. They played and hiked together, and didn't want the weekend
> They slept in their site, which was right next to ours. We love to
> fathers with us, we have 3 Eagles in our troop and USE them.
> Believe me, I have never heard of any males being treated this way,
> I have been a grown scout for 7 years.
I love this info. It indicates to me that we both come from councils
in GSUSA that are not wholesale on man bashing and BSA councils that
are not wholesale on female bashing. However, in the short time I've
been associated with Scouts-L and WAGGGS-L, it seems not all councils
treat men the same. perhaps because all councils, male friendly or
not, are run by humans, and as a lot, we still have a long road to
travel, and yes, that same statement can likely be turned about and
applied to some BSA councils and attitudes to women.
Stepping down. soapbox put in trunk. Slowly driving home from town
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