Re: Noise, Charter, Fun Pack Meetings
Dave Yanke (n9ssg@POBOX.COM)
Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:51:59 -0500
> I've taken the first step and spoken to the CM about it. He was, as you
> might expect, well aware of the problem, but pretty much referred me to
> the committee to present my ideas for change. Some of what he said I
> found very confusing (bear in mind that I'm not a leader or in any way
> registered, just a "civilian" parent). He told me that we couldn't just
> find a better room to hold pack meetings in, because that would cause
> trouble with the chartering organization. I don't understand this. Why
> would the chartering organization insist that we use their room?
> (Frankly, I think they'd be glad to have us out of there!) He also told
> me that the room DOES have a PA system but that the chartering
> organization won't permit the pack to use it. And he told me that he's
> concerned about waiting for silence with Signs Up because our meetings
> are already too long. And lastly he mentioned that the problem had been
> worked on for awhile, but then got sort of back-burnered as the pack had
> many other issues to deal with (rechartering, the previous CM stepping
> down - our current CM has only been officiating since January).
It appears your CM has lost control and is trying to be the nice guy rather than
an authority figure. If the "signs up" is being used properly at the Den and pack
level, it works quite effectively. Once the boys know what is expected of them,
they fall into line rather nicely.
At our den level, the scouts our starting to realize that if it takes them too long
to respond, something needs to get cut.
> One person sent me the typical schedule for his pack's meetings, which
> describes how they set the mood for the advancements and awards by
> dimming the lighting and putting on music. The combined effect of music
> and dim lights helps quiet the pack. I think this is a great idea and
> very helpful. I would be very interested to see other pack's typical
> meeting schedules. I'm particularly interested in knowing how long the
> meetings last, if the quiet stuff is done early or late in the meeting,
> if there are any special fun traditions employed, and how the pack is
> moved along from one type of activity to another.
> I'd also like to know more about how the charters work. What does the
> chartering organization typically provide, what does the pack provide,
> how much authority does the organization wield?
Ultimately, your charter organization can insist on anything they want. If you
don't agree, you part ways, either by their choice or yours. Our's also does not
like us using the PA, so we have a requirement that the CM has a big mouth
In the packs I have associated with, the CO typically provides pack meeting
facility, liabilty insurance for the site that works in tandem with any BSA
policies and possibly any guidance or assistance that is requested by the
Obviously, some CO's get more involved than others. Depending on the
involvement and demands, I think a more involved CO is a great thing.
ACM, DL, DLC and Kyle's dad.
Pack 335 - Wheaton, IL
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City