Re: O.A. Elections
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:16:16 -0400
> From: T. Nixon <tjworld@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:45 AM
> Our troop will be having O.A. elections in a few weeks and need some
> guidance from those familiar with O.A. Elections. Our troop uses
> Troopmaster software which will print out eligible O.A. members (those
> who have meet rank and camping req.). In doing so, we found out that it
> will only count one long term camp for the eligibility requirement , all
> the rest of the days must be short term. I have three questions:
Well, before I address your specific questions, several points. First of
all, the current requirement, paraphrased, is that the Scout (or adult)
must, within the last 2 years, have 15 days and nights of camping, 6
consecutive days and 5 nights of which must be long term, the balance of
which MUST be short term. Further, TM will only count nights that you
don't indicate as having been "cabin" camping. The OA requirements have
no such restriction. (Unlike camping mb.) Now:
> 1. Can two summer camps not be applied to the total? For example, a
> scout who went on two 6 day summer camps and 3 two day camps - would he
> be eligible?
No, two summer camps cannot count. Only 5 nights of long term camping are
counted and the remaining 10 MUST be short term (I believe defined as two
three or four nights).
> 2. What about a long term camp that is more than 6 days? Who many days
> do you count towards the total of 15 nights? For example, our troop
> went on an 8 day summer camp adventure last summer, do you count only
> six of these days with the other nine must be short term? or do you
> count all 8 with the remainder being short term?
Under current requirements you can only count 5 nights (and six days) of
any long-term camp, regardless of how long it lasts.
> 3. And finally, if a Scout attends one summer camp of 6 days the first
> year, and 8 days the second year, and has 7 days of short-term camping,
> does it matter which long term camp you apply (assuming you can count
> the 8 day camp for all 8 days)?
He does not qualify regardless of which summer camp you use because he
does not have the 10 nights of short-term camping under the facts
> In our case, Troopmaster applied only the first camp of 6 days and
> disregards the camp of 8 days. These 2 days did make a difference
> regarding eligibility for some of the scouts.
Because of the discrepancies between TM and the actual current
requirements (which I HAVE discussed with Sam Edwards, although he doesn't
want to change the software), I don't use his OA eligibility report.
Instead I print out a list of all the camping trips/activities that any
Scout First Class or above and not yet an Arrowman has been on within the
last two years and do the count manually. We are a troop of 50 or so,
with about half each year potentially eligible and this process takes me
less than an hour.
Bruce E. Cobern
Suanhacky Lodge #49, Queens Council, NY
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City