Discussed and confused
David F. Delman (Delman01@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:40:47 -0400
<<Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:07:12 <onephoto1@JUNO.COM>>
Woah!! Yowza!! You have a lot of things going wrong =
in your Troop, Chartering Org, and in your Council.
Mis-Information galore, with seemingly very few people =
you are dealing with educated in BSA's rendition of =
If your problems weren't so similar to ones I have been
involved in, know about from other Scout-Lrs, or have
caused myself I could laugh. OK I am laughing anyway =
since my misery loves you, your wife's, and your
As an encouragement for you and your wife
from a ScoutMaster I have worked with,
"We are in this for the boys" =
"We are in this for our sons"
For each to grow in the Aims of Scouting.
Since the boy is in boy scouting the CharteringOrg was really =
attempting to remove "A" boy from scouting. They can do this =
"slapping at a family through a boy", even if against BSA =
principles or policies, and GET Away with it most of the =
time unless someone complains high enough. The C.O. can do it
and SHOULD do it if for really good cause like a boy smoking =
repeatedly, being uncontrollably abusive, selling drugs at a =
scout meeting, or long overdue dues. The C.O. should always
first check with their DE at Council. Along the way the Troop =
Adults or CO Adults should be involved with counselling the =
family if they believe in the ScoutOath. We should all =
be striving to Include as Our first option.
Goals and Objectives of the Chartering Org
Suggestion: Sit down with the CO's Head and Youth Head
and write up a "Goals and Objectives" Statement.
I know you personally wish to serve troubled youth, which =
is great, does your Chartering Org share your Vision for =
the boys (customers and share holders) they wish to serve??
Does the CO understand the challenges they are accepting??
It is their Chartering Organization not yours.
At some point you will also need to include your CoR
and your Troop Committee Chairman since THEY will have
to agree to serve and aid this "Goal and Mission" =
statement or VACATE their positions. They will probably
agree and grumble if it is worthwhile and doable.
Once you have this agreement share it with your DE, DC,
and other Council folks to see if you/they are on target.
They should be involved since as you become successful
they will want to use your troop as a "Go To" Troop.
The Chartering Org should than formalize through their
governing body THEIR "Goals and Missions" Statement
when using scouting as one of their youth programs.
Troop Committee GuideBook,
Be careful using this material that will take you 30 min
to digest. Once you read this you are going to be smarter =
than everyone else and they will all be mad at you and
call you a "Know It All". Proper uptake of this information
will give you power and take your power away at the same time
so use it wisely.
Yes YOU are in Charge.
Many on Scouts-L have written on the various best practices
a SM can use to assist or create Patrols. I like my method
as do some others yet other Scout-Lrs have methods they feel =
more comfortable with and have used for years.
The Committee is your Advisement Team
>Their job is to ASSIST you and advise you on better ways
of carrying out the troop's scout program.
>Their job is to HELP you and the Troop Succeed
Your job is to HELP them HELP You and the Program
>You should listen to them and hopefully enlist their aid
>If the committee doesn't like your decisions
They can ask the Chartering Organization to REMOVE YOU.
Officially they have very little power other than hassling
or busting you with Good, HoHum, or BoyScouting Ideas.
Removal of SPL
Nah!!! the Troop Committee can't do it. Only Advise.
Even You the SM should have a difficult time doing it.
Again Scout-Lrs have discussed various ways to remove
a really poor SPL after counselling by the SM, others =
better suited to the human politics, and with the family =
and boy involved in a positive-going well-prepared manner.
The Troop Committee is making a reasonable request
based upon Safety and the Comfort of other adults
and the Troop as a Whole. Either a parent should be =
present OR another TRAINED adult should be present =
that can handle any difficulties. Three adults should =
be the minimum for all your outings. I would read the
"Guidelines to Safe Scouting" to get a FEEL for how =
BSA conservatively treats safety for all the boys.
Whether it is CP or MS, MD, Diabetes, AHAD, or ???s
Inclusion and safety for these boys is very important.
Again be careful because once you and your wife read =
this booklet or the stuff JThai sends us since you will
be a Know-Too-Much. =
Order of The Arrow
Sound like you are going to FAST. Let you son get to
1st Class first and then be seen as a Helpful Leader
to the other boys so they vote for him because they
want to vote for HIM.
Yes you are still in charge YET, YET, YOU =
Have to Share this position or Delegate it to:
The Troop Advancement Person or
I recommend you delegate it and help it grow.
Throughout the entire Troop Committee Guidebook
you will see a lot of Sharing between adults that
You as ScoutMaster, the Troop Committee Chairman
and the Chartering Organization Representative
must all find a way to do for the best of troops.
Woah that is Tougher than Fried on Grease!!
Troop Committee Voting
YOU don't vote, You report, advice, and grumble
What I have done above means I am unofficially on your =
Troop Committee and am merely advising you from the
little I have learned so far about BSA Scouting.
and the page:25 of the TC Guidebook.
Good Luck, Have Fun, and Have the right kind of God Speed.
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Baden-Powell Council=
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City