Re: Couple Questions
Norman MacLeod (gaelwolf@MAGPAGE.COM)
Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:58:45 -0400
>From what you say, the only thing I think you've missed is someone's
insensitivity and common sense training...
First, the issue of the Webelo who doesn't qualify for the AOL because he
has not completed the Troop joining requirement...
This requirement was more than likely put into place to assist membership
numbers. That aside, I think there is a bit of room for creativity here.
One option might be to have the boy fill out the application and attach it
to a letter that he has written stating that he has a previous commitment
that will prevent his active participation for a year. (He doesn't have to
say what that commitment is.) His letter would also include words to the
effect that this is a statement of his intent to join that particular Troop.
Another option could be for you to have a talk with the Leader of the Troop
the boy is interested in. Explain what the boy is up against, and see if
there are some ways he might be able to participate in activities other than
the regular Troop Night meetings for the first year (if this is an option
the boy and his family can support). Once you have the Scoutmaster's
agreement, talk things over with the boy's parents to see if he has their
support for this option. (Realising that there is a chance that there may
be some problems with this that you are not aware of...)
Having completed these two steps, it would then be time to explain to the
boy that there is a participation opportunity for him to consider. Once he
understands the possibility, you can coach him in the best approach to
joining on alternative terms, so that he can participate to the best of his
ability, consistent with the limitations imposed by his upcoming commitment.
Now, as to uniforming for Crossover...
One of the options for Webelos is wearing the Scout shirt with blue shoulder
tabs and the appropriate insignia. There is no BSA-imposed requirement for
these kids to be wearing blue uniforms.
Actually, Crossover is highly effective when the WDL can remove the blue
loops and Webelos neckerchief, with the red loops and Troop neckerchief
being placed on the uniform and around the Scout's neck after he crosses a
bridge. This is even more effective if the Crossover takes place at a park
with a bridge over a stream, or better yet, in a Scout camp...
Kudos to you, Bill, for your concern and getting in touch with us. Cold
Pricklies to the adults in your Pack who are not willing to do THEIR
personal best to support the kids.
From: William Deady <deady@LL.MIT.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L <SCOUTS-L@TCUBVM.IS.TCU.EDU>
Date: Saturday, April 04, 1998 8:42 PM
Subject: Couple Questions
> I need the wisdom of the list with a couple questions.
> At our last pack committee meeting a matter was discussed and
>evidently decided on concerning a second year WEBELOS. The scout in
>has completed all requirements for his Arrow of Light, except one. That one
>being that he has not applied to a Boy Scout troop. He has a troop that he
>wants to join but will not be able to go to troop meetings for about a year
>due to a previous commitment on the same night of the week. (I don't know
>what the commitment is.) He doesn't want to join another troop. He doesn't
>want to just fill out the application to fulfill the AOL requirement as he
>feels it would be dishonest, knowing he couldn't participate. The pack
>has decided that since he has NOT completed ALL requirements, he should not
>get the AOL. Evidently, the boy is very upset about all this and will not
>be attending our BG banquet. In all likelyhood, he will not join a troop in
>the future because of all this. I say give him the AOL and let him join a
>when and if he wants. I'm all for rules and regulations, but justice is the
>rule of law tempered by circumstance. What says the list?
> The other question also concerns something that came up at our last
>committee meeting. We awarded several AOL badges at our Feb. pack meeting
>those boys are already attending Boy Scout troop meetings at the troop of
>choice. The actual Crossover ceremony will be at our BG banquet next week.
>Somebody asked if the boys should wear their Cub Scout uniforms for the
>crossover instead of their Boy SCout uniforms. The CM stated that they
>be wearing Boy Scout uniforms at all since they have not attended a
>ceremony. His position was that until they go thru the crossover cermony,
>can't be Boy Scouts. As I stated, they have all earned their AOL and have
>accepted into a troop. Where does it say that they can't be Boy Scouts
>going thru a crossover ceremony? Have I missed something?
>Bill - Assistant WEBELOS Denleader
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