Re: Over active parent
David Ball (ridcully@KAMI.KEBLE.OX.AC.UK)
Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:41:56 +0000
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, T. Nixon wrote:
>What does the group think about having adult leaders (A.S.M., S.M. M.C.
>parents) sleeping with their sons on troop & patrol camp outs?
>It is of my opinion that Scouts should be interacting with their patrols
>and other Scouts as much as possible. Scouts should camp together, eat
>together, Scout together - and adult leaders should do the same - with
>other adults while camping. The adults are a necessity on camp outs,
>and have their roles, but I believe a line needs to be drawn here.
>I have heard of many units who go camping - and they separate each
>patrol as well as the adults from each other (sometimes by a good
>distance). This gives the boys an opportunity to learn, lead, mature,
>and enjoy what Scouting has to offer.
Well, I don't know what the rules are in the US, but in my group
here in the UK, leaders are never allowed to sleep with scouts. In fact,
I think that POR (Policy Organisation and Rules of the UK Scout
Association) may prohibit leaders sleeping with scouts (not entirely sure
Certainly when the whole troop goes camping in the Summer, we camp in
patrols, that is, each patrol cooks eats and sleep together in their own
area of the site, and the leaders also have thier own area and sleep
One problem we have had more than once in previous years is the issue of
male/female venture scouts (16 - 20) sleeping together/with leaders. It
is the policy of the group that only warranted leaders can sleep with
other warranted leaders of the opposite sex - otherwise the girls and boys
must sleep separately, and this is strictly adhered to with the scouts.
However, a couple of years ago a situation arose when one of the male
venture leaders was having a relationship with a female venture, and they
wanted to sleep together on camp. Since the venture was not a warranted
leader, the rest of the venture unit decided not to allow this, in line
with group policy. This resulted in the leader and the venture leaving
the camp early after a lot of friction between them and the rest of the
unit (including the other leaders), which was certainly not an ideal
solution. We now make it clear before every camp what the rules are - if
people don't want to stick with them then they don't have to come.
Nevertheless, the situation has arisen at least once again since then,
this time between two ventures, one of whom was on the Unit Executive
Committee (the group of ventures who run the unit). There were no
leaders at this camp, and only two other members of the Exec. Committee (I
was one of them) so there was little we could do to force the pair to obey
Sorry for making this so long, esp. since it doesn't really pertain to the
original post, but I think this is an important issue. Has anyone else
experianced similar situations? How did you resolve them?
Nonsuch Venture Scout Unit, Ewell, England
Oxford University Scout and Guide Group, Oxford, England
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City