Re: Interesting B.O.R.
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:46:24 -0500
> From: Dave Hultberg <dave.hultberg@PAONLINE.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 12:43 PM
> I think I will have to disagree with Bruce on this one.
Please feel free to disagree with me any time. That's the beauty of this
group. For academic discussion purposes only, since nobody is ever going
to question whether an Eagle candidate is entitled to wear the uniform at
his BOR, I will continue to disagree.
> should ask their council registrar for an official answer, but IMHO
> the new 18 year old Scout remains a registered member of BSA and his
> troop until the unit recharters.
I agree that the Scout is APPARENTLY registered until the end of the
charter year, but I wonder in what capacity? He is no longer eligible to
be a Boy Scout since membership is only open to those under the age of 18.
Likewise, he has not met the requirements to be an adult leader since
that requires the filing of an Adult Leader Application, with the
requisite approvals, and he has not done that. I contend that this is
regardless of whether he COULD register as adult merely by filing an Adult
Application with the $1 transfer fee or not. (That might actually depend
on what council you are in because some might be more concerned about
collecting the money than others. I also agree that it seems proper that
you are ENTITLED to the full year of membership, should you choose to
become an adult leader, without paying a new registration fee, but that is
another matter entirely.)
Thus, as I see it, IF he is still a "registered" member of the BSA it is
without any specific standing and that might or might not entitle him to
wear the uniform.
> At that time he MUST register as an
> adult if he wishes to remain registered with the troop. He can choose
> to fill out the Adult Application as soon as he turns 18.
Agreed on both counts. Question is his status after turning 18 if he
chooses NOT TO fill out (or delays) the application. Has he thus, in
essence, forfeited his membership by inaction.
> This is
> similar to a Cub who has completed the 5th grade or aged up out of
> Cubs. If he doesn't transfer to a troop, he remains on the pack
> charter until the unit recharters. Membership cards expire at the
> same time as the charter, not when the boy turns 18. Otherwise you
> wouldn't be able to hold a legal Eagle BOR for an 18 year old until he
> re-registered as an adult.
I don't believe that this is relevant to the ability to hold the board.
Take the following situation. John's 18 year old had his board in
December. Suppose he turned 18 in October (less than 3 months before the
board to keep it simple). Further assume that his troop has an October or
November charter year. Thus, between the time he turned 18 and the time
of his BOR the troop rechartered and he chose not (or forgot) to register
as an SA. Are you contending that because he failed to register as an
adult we can't hold his Eagle board? Clearly he is not registered at the
time of the board. I believe that since he was registered when he
completed all of the requirements, short of the board, he is entitled to
the board, and I believe that national would support that one without any
question. In fact, I believe that we asked that question once in
connection with a situation we had.
Thus, I don't believe registration at the time of the board is a relevant
criterion for Eagle candidates over the age of 18 at the time of their
Bruce E. Cobern
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