Re: Council vs. Local Patches
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:54:54 -0600
Kevin asked about the City and State strips:
>Back when I was a youth, we used a rocker patch to indicate our town >and
It was called a "community and state" strip, Kevin. When the BSA went to
the new uniforms, many local Councils by then had already came out with
their own special patches for their District and Council volunteers, instead
of having them to wear nothing but a position patch on the left shoulder.
The Council Shoulder Strip was universally accepted by most local Councils,
the BSA Supply Division sent out samples of what they should look and what
kinds of things are acceptable to put on them, and many
local Councils still allowed the older city and state strips to be worn for
a five year period afterwards.
Today, virtually all members of the BSA wear a CSP of some sort which
identifies which local Council they belong to. The only exceptions are
Explorers, which may wear a special DDI insignia to indicate where the Post
or Ship is from as well as other information.
>2. I have seen some troops with the old rocker patch and their troop
>number on their shoulder INSTEAD of the council patch....so is there an
>insignia guide rule that allows for this?
Yep. Local COUNCILS have the authority to authorize units within their
Council to continue to wear the City and State strips, but it is understood
that the costs of purchasing those strips are borne by the UNIT and NOT the
Council, as it was traditionally been in the past. The BSA Supply Division
can still order them for you, in multiples of 25 per community and state
strips. A UNIT does not have that authority to make a change on their own.
There are two options presently out there for Councils to follow:
*ALL MEMBERS of the Council wear the CSP. This is the on that most Councils
*ALL MEMBERS OF UNITS wear the either CSP or city and state strips, with ALL
District and Council members wearing the CSP.
There's not a option for both to be worn, nor for District/Council
volunteers to wear the city/state strips.
The city and state strips are a thing of Scouting history, Kevin....Scouts
and Scouters, in Scouting's earlier days, associated themselves with a
community and state; today, Scouts and Scouters associate themselves with
the local Council in which they belong.
"What about those that served at National (volunteer and professional)?"
In 1976, I was appointed to my first "tour" as a National volunteer. I got
in the mail, a special National Council CSP which I treasure to this day. I
have a scan of the patch on my website. National volunteers and
professionals wore the patch until the BSA relocated to the National Office
That year, a special National Office patch was made available and those
national staffers and volunteers wore it instead of the older patch. I like
the older patch personally, but the newer one is more colorful. Today, very
few Scouters wear it...and the patch is sold at retail over the years in
both local Councils and in the BSA catalog. Those few Scouters that are
"multiples" in the Direct Service Council get to wear the DSC Council
Shoulder Patch, but for the majority of them, they don't wear anything at
all (see our Chief Scout Executive's photo in the opening page of the Scout
Handbook for proof) other than a position patch.
So, at least at the National level, we've come back full-circle on what to wear.
Hope this helps, Kevin!!
>Personally, I always thought it neat to be able to tell where a scout was
>from without asking, merely looking at his shoulder patch. Now one must ask.
>Any other opinions or thoughts?
>Kevin S. Woods
>Scoutmaster Troop 111
>Historic District DWC Training Chairperson
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