David F. Delman (Delman01@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:12:03 -0500
<<Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:19:55 David Garlitz <GarGar205@AOL.COM>>
Speaking only on the BoyScout Side.
since the techniques are vastly different in Cubs.
The Cub Leaders on the list will give you ideas on that side.
My best total discipline approach is a bit of a "free for all"
of techniques depending on the situation.
The Goal being Self Discipline and Discipline when working with =
groups within a Young Man's Raging Mind and Body that should last
a life time while hopefully still participating in Scouting.
Phase:1 (That Casual Discipline needed to Run a Meeting)
Scout sign Scout sign Scout sign
- When the SPL, ASPL, or the Adults Leader raises the sign
Everyone raises the sign. NO HOLLERING at Joey or Tom
((Giving of the Gorilla EyeBall is preferred to opening))
(( of the mouth and hearing the real thing.))
- (My personal preference is for the adults to notify the)
(SPL or ASPL and for him to raise the first Scout sign)
(Your adults might feel threatened using this technique)
( yet give it an SPL try)
- (When any boy is speaking his spiel or performing HIS)
(leadership he should feel the "Sign" works for him too)
^^- THIS IS A TECHNIQUE OF WONDERMENT even in Cubs
- Use it often and always, before every quite moment that
someone wants or needs to be heard. Using it often is
IMPORTANT training to replace your troops current =
practice by building a new better practice.
Phase:2 (Normal Disorderly/Raging lad <Sounds like me (:-)
- Talk to the boy one-on-one (Talk not Holler or Scold)
(Jim P described the boy to boy method, which ideally is
(backed up immediately by an adult when needed. If SPL =
(David wants to try this method pick YOUR backup adult
(An Adult of Patience will also do OK, =
(Stay away from the "I'll Teach Them" adults. The kids =
(don't like being around them even if well intentioned
- Personal Time Out
(On an individual basis, initiated by either boy or adult leaders
- NOTE: Don't let the group be punished for one or two guys
who haven't yet been able to control themselves. This technique
is often applied by adults. It sends the wrong message and
for the decades I have seen it used it stinks every time.
Phase:3 (The Real Rowdy or Rowdy Buddies
- Pete Gerlach described one of the Go "phone home" systems
(We have done this a bit different because we don't have
( 2 extra adults hanging out at our get-togethers.
- Meeting Time Out (i.e. Sit out One Meeting
- Bring the Parents with you and they stay with you
until your behavior is improved.
- Face to Face Meeting (Parents/Boy with Adult Leaders/SPL)
To Level set Scouting Goals first and then some items of =
- NOTE: These are only a few of the pile of techniques for Phase:3
The only thing to remember is that YOU as a Troop should WANT
and DESIRE to have this rowdy boy or rowdy buddies as part of
your group if at all possible. Do a Good Turn by wanting to
include them and then reluctantly exclude them if needed.
My only real winner is "Scout Sign" =
The rest are all temporary bandaids.
As a Suggestion:
Find one of your adults that has "The Scoutmaster Handbook"
Read Chapter:1 "The Visit" (An Ideal Troop Or Course)
Then ask one or two of your adults to read it.
Read Pg:161 "Responding to Problems"
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Susquenango Council=
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City