Re: Request for Advice
Kathie Cerveny (kathie@ECE.NWU.EDU)
Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:38:37 -0600
This is not a new statement for LDS. We have a very large population of
LDS church members AND units in our council, and have always taken into
consideration that they could NOT stay at a campsite on the Sabbath, as our
Jewish Leaders can not travel on Friday night.
This has NEVER posed a problem for us, since we ask at our FIRST session of
Boy Scout Leaders' Training if there are special considerations, and we
work around them. It is IMPOSSIBLE to believe that anyone would deny the
leadership of any LDS unit the opportunity of attending training because
he/she could not stay overnight on Saturday.
When this in needed, a schedule arranged so that topics of high importance
are not missed on the Sunday morning portion of training is easy to do.
Keep in mind that National states '...you are to train the topics..' the
techniques are up to us who train.
At 10:57 PM 11/15/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I am seeking guidance from the group's collective wisdom. I have
>recently been given information on the new LDS statement on training.
>The pertinent part is quoted here
>>" . . . Additionally, the Boy Scouts of America sponsors Basic >Training
and other courses to help leaders learn Scouting methods and
>>skills. Scouting leaders may enroll in these courses to supplement
>training from local priesthood leaders. However, Church leaders should
>>not participate in Scout training such as Basic Training or Wood Badge
>on the Sabbath, or overnight camping that includes mixed groups of men
>and women, whether adults or youth, unless it is a family camp."
>I would prefer not to open a discussion on the relative merits of one
>group's standards over another's. As a District Training Chair, I want
>to know how I can best meet the training needs of all of my district
>with these new policies. As a past Course Director and current Course
>Advisor, I want to know how we can offer a course to all Scouters in the
>Council or cluster with what appear to be mutually contradictory aims.
>When I was asked to run a Wood Badge course, the Council Training
>Committee initially asked me to try to put on a non-Sunday course at the
>request of the LDS Stake Presidents. The tradeoff was supposed to be
>that they would provide a minimum of 32 participants. I did come up
>with a schedule that met the specifications. However, only 13 people
>ever signed up for the none-Sunday schedule. We were then forced to
>change to a more "traditional" format. (brag mode on) We ended up with a
>two-Troop course and 83 participants signed up! 79 completed. (brag
>The point I am trying to make here is that my experience indicates a
>non-Sunday format wont fly, even when attendance is "guaranteed". I'm
>at a loss for how to proceed.
>I used to be an Eagle
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City