Re: Problems W/Webelos Den Leader
Bruce Major (major@GATOR.NET)
Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:15:48 -0500
A tough situation. You seem to indicate that you have not broached the
subject with her. Obviously, you are going to have to.
Perhaps you can appeal to her competitive side. Turn it from the "most pins
in record time" to "the most thorough job done in attaining pins". It
sounds like you don't have a Den Leader Coach.
Training is of course an on-going process. Even though this leader took
BLT, she appears to need further training. She needs to go to Pow Wow and
Round Table, even if that takes encouragement. Perhaps she would benefit
from being "teamed" with a more experience leader. Maybe your Unit
Commissioner could suggest one. Most districts have some "vets" who can
always be tapped for short term special projects.
The sad thing is, it is the scouts who will suffer. They know when they are
being patronized. If they don't get to do the activities and developed the
skills, they will soon be gone anyway.
Maybe it is time for a parents meeting. If you have all these dens and all
these boys, there have got to be parents there somewhere. Make it clear
that you have tow alternatives: Get help, or shut down dens. Radical, but
realistic. When we do round up, we will not register new scouts unless one
or more of the parents sign up as den leaders. Do we lose some boys? Yep.
BUT we know the boys we do get will have leadership. We provide the
training, and we nurse new leaders along. But the rule stands- no leader,
no den. You can take that message to the parents. Tell the facts of the
situation, let the den groups sit together, and give them 15 minutes to
talk among themselves and determine who is willing to be the leader.
Another alternative is to check with your charter partner to see if they
have adults willing to be den leaders. Or ask your UC and DE for help in
recruiting new leaders form your current parents' ranks.
You have to address your concerns with this leader. If she quits, then she
quits. If no one else is willing to step up and take the job, then you will
have to disband the den. Make sure the parents of these boys understand
that if none of them is willing to lead, the den cannot function.
Harsh as it may sound, if the Pack doesn't have the support of enough
parents to make it run, then perhaps it should die. Trim your Pack to where
it can function with the support it has. Or take your talents to a thriving
organization that will benefit from them and offer you the support to do
the best job you can.
SM, Troop 84
Former CC, CM, WL, UC, and RTC
> The leader has gone to Basic Training, I was on the Training Team. Before
> my last "sounding Board" moved 2 weeks ago, (she knew this leader better
> than I do) My sounding board told me if I questioned her, the Den Leader
> would probably quit. I don't know how to broach the subject in a way she
> won't be offended but still get my point across. I have had so much
> leader change over this year that I play a part in 3 Dens along with
> being Cubmaster. The Den Leader in question is also handling the Tiger
> Den. If she were to quit I'd have to do those Dens, too, if the boys were
> to stay on. The Leader is VERY VERY competitive and has to be the best.
> I'm afraid she is trying to have her Den get all of the Pins in record
> time. I have been a Webelos Den Leader for 2 years(bridged last April)
> my boys did get the chance to work on all of the Pins except the Aquanaut
> in Den Meetings. But we worked in the Summer for 2 years and really
> worked hard the rest of the time. I also have the 5th grade Den for this
> I'm terrified to bring up the subject to the Leader. She doesn't help
> with anything much but her Den. She doesn't go to any of the 'advanced
> training" like PowWow, Roundtable, etc. But I can't take on anything else
> at this time and I shouldn't have to. I wouldn't worry about it except
> these kids will have no conception of what is involved when they get to
> Boy Scouts where the requirements are not to be changed, and to be done
> written. Then the Webelos in the 5th grade this year are hurt that they
> spent 6 weeks on Citizen and 5 weeks on Artist and the 4th graders are
> getting the Pins handed to them. There are hard feelings all around.
> What would you do?
> Thanks in advance,
> Kristen Swank
> Cubmaster & Jack of All Trades, Pack 392
> Winnsboro, Tx
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