Re: 2 Deep Merit Bdging
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:36:47 -0500
> From: H. Alan Schup <aschup@WHY.NET>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:58 AM
> Hmmm. I thought the YP requirement is that a youth is never ever to be
> alone with adults (as well as "adult protection" to have another adult
> witness that the youth cannot blackmail the adult).
Actually, the YP rule is that ONE youth can never be alone with ONE adult.
There must always be a third PERSON present, but that person can be
either another YOUTH or another ADULT. Thus, as long as either the
counselor OR the Scout supplies at least one other person, YP is covered.
In fact, the feeling is that ANY third party will prevent both the abuse
AND the improper claim of abuse. Most people will not attempt either
abuse OR blackmail if they know there were ANY witnesses.
> Ideally, there needs
> to be two adults and two youth as a minimum like for outings.
This is the two deep leadership requirement, which is different from the
YP requirement, and while there need to be two ADULTS (with certain age
and registration qualifications) for most outings to happen, there need
not be two youth. Two adults can have an outing with one youth, although
I'm not sure how much of an outing it would be. :-)
> In the
> literature I remember reading that even when going on campouts, a youth
> even can not ride singularly in a car unless the adult in the car is his
This is true, but is solved by having the one adult drive at least two
> Because of this, for MB classes, the "other" needs to be another
> youth or family member, but this also leaves the MB Counselor without a
> witness that nothing abusive happens.
Again, there need not be a second adult, merely a third set of eyes and
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City