Duty to God (was Atheist Scouts)
David F. Delman (Delman01@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:26:06 -0500
I have a note never sent on the former "Duty to God" tread.
It got a bit long so it never got sent.
Grabbed a small part of it and thought it might help in this =
current discussion. Yes it will allienate a few. Sorry about that.
Hey Guys!! what is an idea or knowledge if never used.
and for a few others I do like knocking over tables.
If he can do it so can I.
Basically the full note was about Scouting supporting a Belief Structure
A Good God =
A Good Set of Spiritual Beliefs
A Good Aspirational Assendence throughout life
Based upon what I have read HERE I believe that the CA Hollywood =
Atheists should be removed and the voters get rid of those judges
as unfit to be judges in our society. If I was on the BOR I would
ask them to recite the SO and then eject them with their so called =
dad. The boys will profit from the experience if done right and
who knows maybe the dad. But then again the news media has a way
that tends to twist the truth to advantage so I don't know what
I would really do if standing in that Troops' Long Travelled Boots.
So here is a bit of my BIG note for your thoughtful enjoyment
A few side notes
1> I noticed that God and Good seem language connected
2> Scouts isn't for everyone. We do a great service when we wish and
want to include but exclude when necessary, others due to beliefs =
or practices contrary to ours as expressed in the SO, SL, SM, SS.
3> We are as NonDemoninational, Unified Spiritually as it gets, which =
probably is due to our founders experience working with different =
people in the grandest Empire this planet has ever experienced.
4>Everyplace is different and the choices we would make if we each =
lived in this place would be different. Hopefully our spirits would
be the same but our methods slighly altered for an effective path
to the same great future goal as we stand beside each other in =
our mutual eternity. "What would YOU be if you lived in Somalia"
5>A thinking Scout is better than a "Follow the whoever is the leader".
Often times atheists think through life rather than just saying
and repeating after others the Hail Mary, a Kanta, a portion of the =
Koran, or The Creed. To say the words and not have meaning in one's =
life and future actions means something to them since they might view=
themselves as separate, living only once entities, in our universe. =
i.e When they are dead they are dead, there is no spirit that goes on=
for a time or an eternity for a chance to do it right the next time. =
Most religious traditions give us this living after life aspiration.
Do we really know they are right even if we feel it within ourselves.=
The only living after experience I personally know and can sense in =
my spirit is the people I touch and leave behind or have left me.
Granted it is pretty strong and everlasting.
6>Most boys say the words about GOD and don't care about the meaning
So these A young men in front of us care or seem to care about what t=
say, at least for the now. Remember they got a Dad who is still drivi=
We adults have to find a way to see if we can include them.
7>Gods are Tough. In the Book "50 True Tales of Terror" edited by John =
Canning from long ago I have read off and on about a God (Kali) and a =
people the British Empire had to demolish in India "The Thugees". This=
was a spiritual belief group of fantastic destroyers. The passages get=
a bit gorry as to what Kali expected of her followers whom by the way
she created. The Thugees were no different than many other groups that=
have believed in "I'm a Taker" kind of a God presence. People who beli=
or expouse in these kinds or images of god do not belong in scouting a=
least my scouting. Kali was not and is not the only of this god type e=
today. So be careful about the word God unless you say Good God
or say Good Spiritual Beliefs.
So when the Thugee young boys would have said "my duty to my God"
I would run fast for fear of death and grab a spear or of course
my Archery Merit Badge Booklet. (:-)
Some theologians believe there are many messangers for the true Good God
as they ponder about his existance. They believe that there have been
many messangers who are great spirits that have come to us and have live=
beside us. To reach us and make us hear and dream a great dream they nee=
to take on some of our faults and habits so that we think they are us an=
are our lead warriors for our war to eternity. They because of us need t=
give us images that we can implant for our spiritual guidance. We as =
humanity often mistakenly move forward based upon our hormones, our life=
experience, our current predicament, and our impression with the warrior=
image of this spirit that touches or has touched our human plane of life=
God or the ONE as written by many includes The Body of Christ, The Great=
Spirit, the Everlasting Presence, Vishnu, Braham each have expressed the=
jointness and partnership we should all sense in our existance. If a sco=
can take-on one of these good images for his future I would say from som=
"Bully for him" =
"He is a better man than me"
A few pharaphrased quotes from old (1987) Theology Today's (For enjoymen=
(published via Princeton University) about Images of God =
"Did we ever view our God as a Crying God for what he is witnessing in =
our behavior" "What can God do. Should God flood and fire us again to =
make us live God's vision for us or should he pray and cry for us"
"For I who have created the sky the planets the birds, bees, humanity,
and the land you walk on do you really think you MALE/FEMALE have the =
ability to assume you know my thoughts and all there is"
"Yes we must question and argue with God" How else will we learn who
we are, what we can be, and what he wants.
Live, Love Long, and Prosper
OK Another Point (Yikes I am long winded)
Do we all really recognize how the Internet is changing the world and how=
English as a language is part of that change. In some countries around I=
there have been riots by mothers when the state stopped teaching English=
as a Second Language. Down and Dirty Riots. As these young men come to u=
your Good God be proud of how YOU encourage them into Scouting. They exi=
one heck of a percentage of the planet we call OUR Earth or OUR Terra.
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Susquenango Council=
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City