Re: Council Addres List
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:00:21 -0600
Mark Arend replied in our discussion on getting the BSA's Council Directory:
>A perfect example of what's wrong with BSA communications. I can see >the
need to keep some information private but I can't see any possible >reason
Actually Mark, there's five good reasons why that directory information is
so tightly controlled and considered "prilivieged information":
The first one is for the same reason that confidential information about
branches and local locations of other national organizations and
institutions are kept "close held": to prevent the "competition" from
obtaining such personalized information to "move in" or "overtake" the local
organization. "But the BSA doesn't have any competitiors," you'll say.
"They've made sure of that...." The BSA *does* have competition
in every large market served by a Council. From who?? From every other
nonprofit, community and state youth agency. From cities and communities.
>From the federal government in some cases (on military bases, overseas and
in larger embassies).
The second reason is because businesses and corporations can use the
database to do their own "multilevel marketing" or "spamming" efforts
involving your local Council. This happened before, with Thomas Watson and
TomWat.....the BSA is trying to avoid doing that kind of release of
information, even to someone serving on the National Executive
Board....again. By relying on local Councils to maintain and keep the
information, it takes all of the data out of those that want to exploit the
The third reason is because the Directory can be used for sending damaging
letters, faxes and even for personal damage to the Council Scout Executive
or other senior professional Scouters. Just like most other corporations
don't tell where there presidents and executive vice presidents are living,
the BSA makes a careful effort to protect the home addresses and phone
numbers of the senior field executive serving a diverse community.
The fourth reason is because of the content of the Directory itself. The
Official BSA Council Directory contains key information on the location of
each local Council, it's territory served, the numbers of the Council, its
OA Lodge and membership numbers (by class) and the phone and fax numbers and
the name and home address of the Council (Scout) Executive. The Directory
is used as a management and relocation tool by career executives wanting to
relocate to another Council....smaller, larger, or same sized as the one
they are working in.
The final reason is one of those "because we want to do so" reasons....the
BSA wants to maintain some level of control over critical documents and
manauls, and by restricting their access, they do a good job of it.
Now, someone else asked "if you can get all of this information out there,
what's the use of the BSA trying to keep the Directory "private"?? As
posted on this list, one can buy one of those "National Business Directory
CD-ROMs", do a search using the words "Boy Scouts", "Scouting", "BSA",
"Scouting/USA" and "Boy Scouts of America" and get a good 85 to 90 percent
of the phone numbers and names of the Councils. There's also enough of
those "bootlegged" or "contributor-produced" directories out there that have
the name, Council number and city, Region, Lodge name and city and perhaps a
phone number....so what good is the BSA's directory?
Because the Directory is the BSA's....and is updated twice a year. As
Councils change names, as Lodges merge or split up; as Council Executives
retire or get promoted or fired....and as phone numbers and faxes are
changed, the BSA needs the Directory and needs to insure it's "relative
Hope that answered the basic question of "why"....sorry for the delay...this
was one of several postings that was "hung" in my outbox because of a system
clock problem on Jessica's computer. It should be fixed now!
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