Re: Uniform thoughts
Godbout, Marc (GodboutM@ANDOVERCONTROLS.COM)
Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:46:13 -0400
First, in our area, kids wear whatever they want to soccer, baseball,
and basketball practices, even for traveling teams, as long as they're
safe and allow the required activity. For example, hard soled, dress
shoes are not appropriate. Depending on the competition level, team
uniforms go from simple T-shirts to complete, socks to hat uniforms.
Secondly, who supplies these uniforms? Around here, these are usually
included in the registration fees. Protective gear is not. Does the
choir buy there own robes? I doubt it. Karate? Most of the schools
around here hand out the first, basic white, ghi (sp?) with enrollment.
National already charges these boys about $18 per year, if Boys' Life is
included, and that does not buy anything but Boys' Life and the
privilege of being a Scout (I know there's more to it than that, but
look at it from the parents' side). Then we tell the parents they
should buy a uniform, which I agree with - I just don't agree with
everyone's idea of what a uniform is. They've also got to get a book.
And now we've got to do some fundraising to keep the troop operational.
And does the boy want to camp? He'll be needing a sleeping bag, wool or
poly clothes, boots, etc.
Thirdly, at least with me, the argument that others do it so don't
complain doesn't hold water. Let's go all the way if we're going to be
like the complete-uniform sports teams. If a child misses football
practice, he doesn't play. If he misses a few, he's off the team. Care
to add that policy in your troops? Continuing the sports team analogy,
every team in the league has it's own uniform. So why can't each Boy
Scout team, the troop, decide their own uniforms? And since we're
boy-run, the boys should design their own uniforms. This could get
Personally, I question just about everything. I need to know why things
are required and "cuz I said so" or "cuz they do it" aren't valid. I
understand complete sports uniforms. For example, in the midst of a
soccer "battle", socks might be all that a player sees. But olive pants
in Scouting? I just can't find a good reason why the shirt is not
enough. What do the pants add that for some reason hats, shoes,
neckerchiefs, and hair cuts don't?
FWIW, I agree with the reasons behind requiring some type of uniform and
that the shirt, although too expensive IMHO, fills those reasons. My
point is that if we're already sacrificing uniformity with hats, shoes,
etc. then why not sacrifice a little more by eliminating those $35
(don't know the exact price - my wife buys my clothes :>) pants?
Finally, (digging deeper into my pocket to come up with two more cents),
I mentioned designing our own uniforms above only partly in jest. Since
we are requiring uniforms for the boys to wear and the only reason we,
as adults, are even on this list discussing this is that we're here for
the boys, what does everyone think about a new Boy Scout uniform,
designed and approved by the boys? The current one was designed by a
clothing designer (the name Bill Blass comes to mind, but I'm not sure)
who was probably an adult. Then it was probably approved by a committee
of adults. I'm sure we could come up with some type of national contest
and a workable phase-in program.
What do you think?
SM Troop 98
ASM Troop 412
> From: George J. Dolicker[SMTP:gjpd@INS.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 5:06 PM
> To: Godbout, Marc; Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
> Subject: Re: Uniform thoughts
> My son's Pack is a fully uniformed Pack... including pants, 'cause
> part of the uniform. When questioned why by parents, I use a
> to what their sons wear to soccer practice: just the shirt, and
> shorts, pants, socks, or shoes they want? No? Team shirt, pants, and
> socks?! Oh. Well... how 'bout little league: team shirt is good
> right... they can wear sweats of bluejeans (tougher than those wimpy
> pants!!!) or whatever, right? WHAT?!!! The kids can't even PLAY if
> aren't shirt, pants, SOCKS, and cleats correct? Gee. OkOkOk...
> then: they can just come in sweats or whatever, right? No? Church
> The robes are optional at least then... right? Not even in Church,
> You mean that for every activity your son participates in he has to be
> the complete uniform?
> Well, boys and girls, the same is true if they want to play THIS game.
> to appear inflexible... we snear at National's directives by not
> the blue and gold socks. Sometimes we're SUCH radicals!!! :-)
> George Dolicker
> Katonah (NY) Pack #1
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