Liquid Fuel Policy
David F. Delman (Delman01@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:52:17 -0400
<<Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:46:05 Hal Dudley <wolfcsm@MAIL.N-LINK.COM>>
<<Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:21:29 Gregory Benesh <BENESHG@BAYLOR.EDU>>
<<Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:20:11 Robert Harrold <harrold@EXECPC.COM>>
I am pretty sure our Council doesn't have any such of a policy at =
present. We use liquid fuel all over the place. A Silver Beaver, =
currently serving with the Great Scout, once told me that bans like
this existed for boys under a certain age. i.e. adults and older boys
were allowed to start them but the younger boys were not supposed to.
My guess, no long possible to confirm, was that adult supervision was
a problem and probably a nasty incident occurred.
After watching for awhile some poor starting practices when the tanks
leaked at each seam and having had a fire ball on both my hands from
a lighter as a boy I certainly can see reasons for concern.
A few suggestions, possibly the one or two chemists on the list can =
add some more current and more accurate information.
You are looking for a few things. Each chemical used in industry has =
what engineers call an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). It is a =
federal requirement that the manufacturer give a pile of information
to assist industries in protection of their employees. On this sheet
should be listed pertinent safety information. Probably if we all did
everything perfectly each Council should have these sheets and a set
of Chemical Protection Guidelines.
Each explosive chemical has what they call a Flash Point, a Fire Point,
and I believe it is called an AutoIgnition Temperature. Household =
alcohol (isopropanol) has a room temp flash point at if I remember of
about 68F. A Flash Point is just that when a spark is brought close =
and the chemical flashes. A Fire Point is when you supply an ignition
source remove the source and the fire burns. An autoignition temp-
erature is when it will start by itself. Wood, well at least one type,
I believe has an AutoIgnition Temp of around 450F. Another factor for
some chemicals is an oxygen/chemical concentration that will actually
cause an explosion when an ignition source is brought close. =
Wham! Bang!! goes that Gasoline Engine or Natural Gas when the =
concentration is just right (about 4-6% if I remember). Anyway that's =
my recollections on the subject w/o getting out my handbooks.
For your situation I recommend one of a few local sources to assist =
you in understanding and selling a safe situation from the chemical =
fire and explosion side of the subject.
1>Industrial Fire Extinguishing Companies
Companies hire these people to install proper protections
2>Local Natural Gas Utility
Some are chartered by their state to supply the public information
3>Local OSHA Office =
(They won't know but they can point you to a source.
4>The Best Fire Department you have =
and that Pyro Guy that everyone admires for his knowledge
5>Local chapter of the American Society of Chemical Engineers
6>Local chapter of Industrial Safety and Environmental Health Engineers
Anyway good luck, keep safety first, and please rsvp.
YiS, IMHO, and may we each attempt to live the SO,SL,SS,SM
Mr Dave (Hawleyton, NY (Susquenango Council=
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City