Re: Two deep
Bruce E. Cobern (bec@PIPELINE.COM)
Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:05:34 -0400
At 01:32 PM 10/10/97 -0400, Gary Burkhardt wrote:
>There is a difference in Two Deep Leadership in Cub Scouts and
>Boy Scouts. Page 13-4 of the 1997 edition of the Cub Scout Leader
>Book says, "Two registered adult leaders or one registered adult leader
>and a parent of a participant, one of whom must be at least 21 years
>of age, are required on all trips and outings. The chartered
>organization is responsible for ensuring that sufficient leadership
>is provided for all activities."
This is no different than the rule in Boy Scouting. As Dave Hultberg said,
there are two differed "two deep" type rules which are often confused. One
is the LEADERSHIP rule, which is as above for both Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts,
AND Explorers. The other is the YP rule which "merely" says that at NO TIME
can ONE adult be alone with ONE Scout (other than their own child).
You will note that the leadership rule above ONLY applies to TRIPS AND
OUTINGS. It would seem clear that this rule was NOT intended to apply to
meetings. Thus, I see NO PROBLEM with there being only one adult at a
troop, patrol, den or other meeting, provided there are at least two youth
In addition, the Guide to Safe Scouting specifically says that the rule does
not even apply to "certain patrol activities" although these are not
defined. Thus, it is possible that, with unit permission, a patrol can
conduct "trips and outings" without the normally required two adults present.
>In Boy Scouts a merit badge counselor is not allowed to meet one on one
>but can meet with a Scout and his buddy. The buddy can be another scout
>or could be a parent.
This is because meeting with a merit badge counselor is not a "trip or
outing" and thus only the YP rule that he/she not be alone with one Scout
Bruce E. Cobern
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City