Re: Blue Cards (not as long as Bruce)
Michael A. Golrick (mgolrick@SCLC.ORG)
Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:49:22 -0400
My friend Bruce writes, first quoting Jean Poulton <jpoulton@FRONTIERNET.NET>:
>> Otetiana Council is now requiring troops to submit the Troop copy of the
>> badge card when we purchase badges.
>This is not unusual. ALL of the councils in the NYC area require that the
>card at least be presented when purchasing the badges. Several,
>specifically Theodore Roosevelt Council (formerly Nassau County Council)
>keep the cards with the advancement report as part of the unit file.
>> The cards are not returned to the troop .
>As I said, this is not unique. Frankly, I wish that the advancement
>report would require that the name of the counselor be listed. Otherwise,
>without the blue cards there is no way to verify that the Scout has, in
>fact, earned the badge with a registered counselor.
>> I am concerned with this for several reasons.
>> 1. This is our record of the Scout completing his badge, with counselor
>> case there is ever a problem with the Council records. ( a frequent
>Well, part of growing up in the Scouting program is learning
>responsibility. The Scout still has HIS part of the blue card with the
>counselor's signature. That, plus the troop's copy of the advancement
>report should be sufficient to resolve any disputes.
>> 2. National literature states that only the advancement form is required
>> councils are not to make things more difficult by increasing the amount
>of red tape.
>I am not sure where you have seen anything from national which
>specifically states that ONLY the advancement report is required. The
>merit badge card itself, on what you call the "troop" part, is somewhat
>ambiguous about WHOSE part it really is. Clearly, some councils consider
>it to be THEIR proof that the mb was earned. The longer I have been
>involved in advancement the more I have come to agree with this. Lots of
>people on this list seem to think that merit badge cards are OPTIONAL, and
>so, apparently, do many councils. But if you read the steps for earning a
>merit badge, which is national's statement of policy on merit badges, they
>clearly state that the Scout is to get a signed card from his SM and then
>turn it back to the SM who procures the badge. Nowhere does it say that
>this part of the card REMAINS with the troop. Many councils issue the
>white "certificates" which are filled out and presented to the Scout with
>the merit badge. Many councils will accept this as proof as well
>although, unless THEY fill them out, I can't see what probative value they
But don't blue cards come in three parts? As a MB Counselor, I keep one
part when the work is done. I return 2 parts to the Boy. Now as the
Advancement Chairman (I was for 2 years) I received 2 parts back. One part
was signed by the SM giving permission to start and the other was signed by
the SM when the Boy returned having done the work and having the
counselor's signature. Now....as Advancement Chair, I filled out the bottom
of one part, and kept one of the 2 parts and turn the other in with the
Advancement Report. My predecessor, I and my successor give/gave the blue
card back with the fancy white (printed in red and blue) and the merit
badge. If a problem developed (wrong part of the card turned in. .... No,
who me? VBG) I would call the District Advancement chair who would give me
back all the blue cards from the troop (those turned in at council) she had
collected since I last asked.
No problems mate...unless the council keeps "both" of the parts of the card.
Michael A. Golrick email@example.com
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