Re: hazing policy taken too far.
Jonathan Dixon (dixonj@ROCOCO.COLORADO.EDU)
Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:01:24 MDT
From: Peter K Kennon <lego@VISI.COM>
> -Sing a Song....
> -Round the Table You must go
> -Happy Birthday
> -Ain't no flies on us
> -If I couldn't be on the ____ Staff
> Comments.... Are these songs hazing???
I'm not familiar with the second,third, and last songs, so I can't
comment on those. As for the others, I do not see tham as hazing
(except perhaps in very specific circumstances).
First of all, most of these songs are meant to be sung as a group with
a staffer or adult as the recipient. The Announcements song could get
to be hazing if it was a camper who was up front and the song was
allowed to drone on; the others should know better than to use the "A
word". One thing that does need attention with it is striking a
balance between the need for completeness in presentation and the need
for timeliness in the day's activities.
Singing Happy Birthday to someone, while it can be somewhat
embarrasing to the scout, rarely falls into the demeaning nature that
would comprise hazing. I have seen local camp traditions which can
come close, but they have all stayed within the line. Also, the
purpose of the activity is to congratulate the person, not to ridicule
What I see as hazing (or at least as inappropriate) is requiring a
scout or small group of scouts to sing a song by themselves as a
punishment for something (most often to retrieve a lost article). The
purpose of this is to ridicule, embarrass, and demean the boys, and
this is not appropriate in scouting.
I think the person who made the complaint must have misunderstood what
had been said about songs and hazing. However, for a more definative
answer on which might be hazing, talk to your council exec. He should
be familiar with what National currently allows and is the one
responsible for what happens at the council camp.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City