Sage Backstrom (SageofAges@AOL.COM)
Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:56:05 -0400
In a message dated 9/15/1997 7:35:38 AM, you wrote:
>Re. Holding a boy upside down for award presentation in cub scouting.
>On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Sage Backstrom wrote:
>> >> <sombody else wrote>
>> >And being held upside down is neither embarassing, demeaning, nor
>> >unnecessarily risky.
>> I disagree with you. It is embarrassing, demeaning and EXTREMELY RISKY.
>Is that our REAL name or one that the liberal left gave you??
What does my name have to do with my political leanings? If it is that
important to you, I am registered Republican having proudly voted in EVERY
SINGLE ELECTION since I turned 18. I have never missed one....have you????
>Embarrassing, demaning and EXTREMELY RISKY?? Two men holding a 40 pound
>boy upside down for a presentation?
Yes...extremely RISKY, violation of youth protection by definition...and for
your editification, my son at age 7 weighed 72 pounds of PURE muscle. No two
men holding him could hold him upside once he would panic for he is
>Boys around here in packs look
>forward (or at least they did in years past untill some panty waist told
>them that it was EXTREMELY RISKY, demaning and embarrassing) to getting
>that rank and being turned over and "pinned".
And this would be your National Executive Staff specifically Gene Stone,
National Director Cub Scout Division, and Ernest R. Thomas, Jr, Associate
National Director Cub Scout Division. I have the "letter". Please contact
them to verify this.
>It was a big deal to them.
>When we had to stop the practice, several boys came to me and wanted to
>know why we could not do it anymore. They thought it was COOL. It is
>people like you and your kind that are taking all the FUN out of scouting.
Me and my kind...the rationale, realistic safety conscience individual. When
a tradition is wrong, it is time for a new "tradition"...stretching this a
bit ...Segregation is WRONG...should it be continued for the sake of
"tradition". Women not having the priviledge to vote was "tradition" until
75 years ago. Your rationalization that this was "FUN AND COOL" is faulty to
continue it just because it is "tradition".
>I fully expect you to respond to me with all kind of reasons why we
>shouldn't do these things and how I am just a fossil left over from the
>old days. FIne, go for it. Maybe, just maybe, it will stir enough
>testosterone in your system to make you a little more of a man
Good one...since I am female from birth :). Gender has no bearing on this
matter. It is a matter of ethical behavior, following the recommendations of
our national organization. While you may disagree with this policy, you do
have options to change it. There is a delegate body to bring this before, I
invite you start the process. I am just as able to fight that process the
same way. I would remind you, that until that time, if you turn a youth
UPSIDE DOWN, you are exposing yourself to a tremendous amount of personal
liablity (no scout insurance WILL NOT COVER YOU), not to mention your meeting
location (will your school district support your position), the men who hold
the child upside down (have you in all fairness made them aware of the
financial risk they will taking), the leader of the den (ditto), the charter
organizational representative (double ditto), the district officers, and your
>one of those whiners about RISKY and demenaing, etc, etc etc. following
>the lead of all the others who are afraid of being sued because you "hurt
>little Johnny's feelings because you sent him to get a left-handed smoke
A question for you...a boy learns that "breaking the rules is ok as a
cubscout...he advances into the boy scout years. He wants to work on his
merit badges, ranks (whatever), WITHOUT A COUNSELOR. He wants to receive his
award on the promise "he will finish next week" etc. He is told "no this is
against the rules" His response, "we broke the rules before, why not now".
What would you tell him? Uhh...it is a matter of situation ethics? Do as I
say, NOT as I do?
>GET A LIFE!!!
I do have a life....and intelligence and concern and compassion, and a belief
that the "mob" mentality is the reason we need to be more outspoken about
situations we KNOW are wrong.
Proudly and with respect for your opinion (however wrong I feel it is),
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City