Sage Backstrom (SageofAges@AOL.COM)
Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:59:16 -0400
In a message dated 9/13/1997 12:21:36 PM, tczim@PACBELL.NET wrote:
>Another fallout of hazing is the quiet dropping out of those boys who
>were embarrassed or humiliated without anyone knowing why they dropped.
>They will always have a negative view of Scouting.
I apologize for coming into this conversation rather late. If I am repeating
anything previously said, forgive me.
Not only will the boys drop out...their parents will *pull* them out. :(
Teaching hazing is wrong needs to start in the very very beginning..in those
Cub Scout days. (Anyone who remembers me from my AOL and USENet discussion
on this, sorry :).
In a situation I have been dealing with...that "turning the Bobcat"
frustration. I saw the first time last fall and about fainted right there at
the pack meeting. It was hazing to me. I talked to the CubMaster and his
attitude was "so what...it is a tradition". (egad...so was segregation :(.
It got to where I called BSA in Irving TX and spoke with a Gene Stone. He
was wonderful and supportive etc. YES..it is hazing...YES BSA says DON'T DO
IT. He had a Mr. Ernest Turner (Asst Dir. Cub Scout Division) send me a
letter stating the 6 reasons why "turning" does not belong in Cub
Scouting...and that it should not be done..period.
The response I got from my Pack leadership was ...removal as Den Leader (I
was a Tiger Den Leader) because I pursued them NOT turning the boys. I have
received very little support from my council about this...they are pretty
much laisse faire about this (if we find out about it we stop it, but we
don't active train this is a no-no :(.
I was frustrated. I felt if we (as adults in Scouting) stand and endorse
breaking rules by our silence, when is the next rule that can be
broken...where is that line drawn. What we teach is hazing now, will carry
over into our sons later years. If turning someone upside down for receiving
a Bobcat badge is ok as a 1st grader, maybe turning them upside down out a
2nd story window is ok when they are a Fraternity pledge. (OK a stretch, but
it could happen).
Many people (wonderful, wise, life long Scouters..I love ya' guys), gave me
wonderful advice. I had a great talk with the school principal where the
Pack meets. Guess what..the school considers this HAZING. The practice will
Morale of a long story....if you feel it is wrong, follow your instinct and
stay with it. :).
Yours In Scouting,
Life Long Girl Scout, First Class '77
Spouse to Eagle '74
Mother to 1 Gold Award '97,
Mother to 1 Junior Leadership Pin Recipient '97
Mother to 1 Bobcat (almost Wolf ;) '97
Mother to 2 Tiger-wannabe's
=5 kiddos ;)
Yes, ours is a Scouting Family
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City