Re: Religious Emblem
James A. Sheckels (sheckej@EARTHLINK.NET)
Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:30:38 -0400
> From: settummanque, or blackeagle (Mike Walton)
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:07 PM
> Peter Hickey asked a very *important* question:
> >They can then earn the Parvuli Dei as a Bear or Webelos - is the
> >appropriate device the Webelos device even if earned as a Bear?
> >earned as a Bear and the appropriate device is the Cub Scout
> >they wear two Cub Scout devices assuming the answer to the Light
> is the Cub Scout Device).
> Two: The approprivate device is the WEBELOS Cub Scout device, but
> think that anyone will complain if the Cub wore two Cub Scout
> side-by-side to denote the two Cub Scouting awards he earned.
> But the WEBELOS Cub Scout device was specifically developed for
> that have earned the later elementary emblem either as a Bear Cub
> as a first or second year WEBELOS Cub Scout.
In a previous post I quoted the Insignia Control Guide about wear of
devices for multiple awards of religious emblems (Mike has most of
that message on his website). Part of what the guide says that a
Scout/Scouter may wear any combination of devices denoting the
awards. Mike also gave examples of wearing multiple devices in one
of his posts.
I would differ a bit from Mike in responding to Peter's question:
1. I read the Insignia Guide's meaning of "any combination of
devices" to be that if a Cub earns more than one religious emblem as
a Tiger - Wolf - or Bear, then he would wear the Cub Scout device to
represent each, meaning he could possibly wear up to three Cub Scout
devices. This does not violate that part of the guide which says we
should not wear more than one piece of insignia representing the same
award, because we are talking about different levels of religious
emblems. This interpretation would also apply to a Boy Scout who
earned more than one emblem while a Boy Scout - wear two Boy Scout
2. I'm not sure I would agree with Mike that the Webelos device was
designed "specifically for....either as a Bear...or Webelos". A Bear
Cub Scout IS NOT a Webelos! I remember the Webelos device, since
it's introduction, being authorized for wear ONLY by those whom had
earned an award WHILE A WEBELOS SCOUT. The Cub Scout device was then
specified for awards earned while a BEAR OR WOLF, with Tigers added
3. I go back to the Insignia Guide to support my take on this. An
excerpt from my previous post:
So I go to page 45....a description of the two knots is given, with
an asterisk indicating the note, which says:
"The miniature device worn with the youth religious emblem square
knot indicates emblem(s) earned as a youth. Wear Cub Scout device,
No. 00926, first-level emblem (God and Me, Maccabee) earned as a
Tiger Cub or Cub Scout; Webelos Scout device, No. 00932, for
second-level emblem (God and Family, Parvuli Dei, Faith in God, Light
of the World, Aleph, etc.) earned as a Webelos Scout; Boy Scout
Device, No. 00927, emblem earned as a Boy Scout; and/or Explorer
device, No. 00930, emblem earned as an Explorer or older Boy Scout or
Varsity Scout. Only one knot is worn, but any combination of devices
may be worn on the same knot."
Seems to me it is very clear the Webelos device may be worn ONLY by
those who earned an award while a Webelos Scout. The last line shows
that multiple devices of the same level may be worn, I think. There
is no restriction anywhere in the guide prohibiting more than one of
any device being worn on the same knot. Assuming a Scout earned one
emblem at each level available, he could wear three Cub Scout
devices, one Webelos device, one Boy Scout device, and up to two
Explorer devices (if registered in a Post or Team at the same time).
This is six or seven devices! As Mike said - how would they all
Also, I would caution all to not let the examples of religious
emblems confuse the issue - there are more emblems available than
those mentioned in the above excerpt from the Insignia Guide.
Personally, I think it would be better to give no examples of the
emblems themselves. The explanation of when the award is earned is
all that is needed.
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