Re: Scouts and Alcohol
Scott Begin (sbegin@MCS.NET)
Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:47:17 +0000
Poster: LMANNERS <LMANNERS@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:
> This is where out Troop would come in. We would need to provide 18
>adults over the age of 21 and 18 youth aged 14-21 to actually set up
>(and take down) the games, grills, tables, etc. Our group would also be
>responsible for running the games and cooking the food - generally
>running the whole show - including serving beer. I would assume that
>only those of us over the age of 21 would be responsible for the beer.
I read several replies to this post arguing about alcohol and what I
believe were their personal feelings on alcohol. Unfortunately, I don't
think these responses helped in any way to answer the question.
>From the description, it sounds like the company wants labor, and wants to
make a donation to your troop in return for providing the labor. It gets
good will from the troop and an additional tax writeoff. The troop gets
funds that are risk free (don't have to buy anything beforehand, don't have
to worry about leftovers, etc..). It sounds like the company doesn't
specifically want scouts, it just wants a community group and somehow your
troop was choosen.
I would check with your scout executive (DE or above) to see if they have
any specific reservations about this (or how / if paperwork might be
handled). If there isn't a problem, I would say go for it, with these
1) NO UNIFORMS WHATSOEVER. Although there were suggestions about the
look of a scout/scouter in uniform near the beer tent, I think the possible
misconception of "Scouts doing service for this for profit company" could
be just as bad.
2) Since you need 18 "Adults" and 18 "Youth," you might want to have all
youth accompanied by at least one parent/gardian in order to work.
With the above, you could be considered a group of citizens working for a
donation to their favorite cause. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say if this
will hold up in court, but you would look closer to "a group of people
hired to do this job." rather than "Boy Scouts doing this job."
3) Adults (21+) only serving beer. 'Nuff said
4) Make sure there is some type of Wristband (something that is put on
the person requesting one, not given to them. it should be non
transferable) being used to identify those of legal age to drink. If at
all possible, get someone outside of the troop (possibly someone from the
company who is registering people) to distribute / control wristbands.
This makes it real easy for those serving beer to determine who is of age
and puts the responsabiltiy of checking age on someone else.
5) Have fun, as these can be, even if you are working.
I base my suggestions on experience.
The city of Oak Forest, IL sponsors an annual fest called OakFest each year
around 4th of July. They have carnival rides, games of chance, food
booths, a beer tent, and a stage with live music. Local community groups
provide Adult (I think at least 18/16 years old) volunteers who work in
various jobs on the fest (rides are left to the carnival operators. Jobs
filled by volunteers include parking, running food booths, selling
food/beverage tickets, trask pickup, etc...). Volunteers sign in for an
organization and record the hours worked. When the festival is over, the
hours totaled by volunteers is divided by the profits to determine an
hourly "wage" and the funds are given back to each organization based on
the number of hours their volunteers put in. In some years, the volunteer
hours have paid between $10-20 per hour.
My troop and our sister pack (Troop/Pack 348, Oak Forest, IL, Calumet
Council) have worked the festival for the past couple of years. This year,
we put in 30 hours posting "NO PARKING" signs around the fest site
beforehand plus 20 hours working other jobs during the fest. It is one of
the easiest $500-1000 the troop can earn. This year, we had people
(including my wife and I) working at the beer tent. As far as I know,
there were no complaints about where we were working and the fact that we
were working for the scouts. You may encounter some people opposed to
alcohol who which to be assigned somewhere outside the beer tent.
OakFest has gotten high marks from city officials who have found that it
cuts down on the number of door to door sales in the community for
fundraisers. Althought there are still those type of sales, it makes it
easier for many groups to raise funds in a risk free manner.
Yours in Scouting,
Scott A. Begin ASM, T-348, Oak Forest, IL; Calumet Council
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