Re: Scouter's Digest Scam
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:40:06 -0500
Wow!! Things really fly when you're gone, don't they!!!
Terry Howerton has already responded with the official word from SJ,
but I wanted to provide just a *little* more information. Little is the
operative word, having come back here to well over 3000 email postings!
Ed Hammitt as well as other Scouters have stated things like the following:
>I have been subscribing to Scouter's Digest for years with no problems.
>It's one of the BEST Scouting Newsletter around, a must have in any Scoutl
>leaders resorces.. Please don't get it confused with Scouting JOURNAL,
>that's a different story altogether.
....which led to a series of postings with Paul Ferris' email address and a
statement from Terry with regard to the "delays" with Scouters' Journal.
I know both Scouters, and both of them are trying as hard as they can to
one, produce quality products which you and I can read, review and use
in our work with other volunteers and youth, and two, to make a small
profit (and I do mean small!!) at a new market: the emerging volunteer and
career Scouting leadership market. They are not the only two; there's other
journals out there for Wood Badgers, for Cub Scouters, and for Exploring
leaders...ALL of which, by the way, are NOT SANCTIONED, ENDORSED,
REVIEWED, NOR APPROVED BY THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA.
I write for Scouters' Journal (and yeah, Terry, I know, I know...I'm behind on
this month's column!! *smiling*) and many of my past postings here have
been imported onto the pages of Scouters' Digest Newsletter. There's other
Scouts-L Scouters here that do the same for both or either publication. We
do so with hopes that what we have to say and the way in which we say it
reaches the largest number of Scouters possible and to influnce them to
action as responsible Scouters, family and community members, and as
citizens of the United States.
(I also do it because it gives me an additional outlet and because it's
a lot of fun *most times*!!)
ALL of the non-BSA publications have been suffering some loss of
subscribership with the advent of HTML and the webpage and web site.
This has forced Scouters' Journal to reassess itself as well as to do some
basic research into what is it that we Scouters want to read more of and
what we are looking for when we get our issue in the snailmail box. As
far as Scouters' Digest, what we (you) need to remember is that that
newsletter has been produced with one or two people PERIOD. It takes
a lot to bring a newsletter out which "meets what you've paid for it".
If you have any problems with ANY publication or product that has
a connection with a Scouter here at Scouts-L (or any other forum for that
matter!!), please attempt to contact the owner, publisher or provider of
that information FIRST and work out a suitable conclusion to the problem.
As a businessman that caters to Scouters, I've had problems bringing
product to the "field" and a simple explaination to those that it affects
is usually effective and works to the benefit of all concerned. By "blasting"
your dissatisfaction here or elsewhere makes you feel better, but in the
longterm, does little but escalate relations between you and the firm or
group that's providing you what you've paid for and what you want.
Or else, you wouldn't have sent your check, money order or provided
your credit card number in the first off-start!
Those that provide services to our fellow Scouts and Scouters have
a larger "code of ethics" than the average company or firm out there.
In our office, among other items, is a copy of Scouting's "tenants".
We do our best, even at personal risk of being broke, to meet the needs
of those that gave us money or asked us for whatever services we
provide. When folks are not happy, we cheerfully and without self-service
refund their monies or provide them with equal items.
Both Paul and Terry are subscribers to that same set of rules, and
would be more than happy to talk privately with those Scouters that
are not happy with what they've paid for. Let's give them and those
many others credit for at least trying to provide us all with additional
information, resource materials and ways in which we can use the
Scouting programs with our youth and fellow adults!!
(c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201
(settummanque, the blackeagle) http://dynasty.net/users/blkeagle
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