Re: Religious Knot & International Activity Badge
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:07:00 -0500
Jim has found two of many *dips* in the BSA's Insignia Guide:
First, the devices for the youth Religious emblem:
>"The miniature device worn with the youth religious emblem square
>knot indicates emblem(s) earned as a youth. Wear Cub Scout device,
>No. 00926, first-level emblem (God and Me, Maccabee) earned as a
>Tiger Cub or Cub Scout; Webelos Scout device, No. 00932, for
>second-level emblem (God and Family, Parvuli Dei, Faith in God, Light
>of the World, Aleph, etc.) earned as a Webelos Scout; Boy Scout
>Device, No. 00927, emblem earned as a Boy Scout; and/or Explorer
>device, No. 00930, emblem earned as an Explorer or older Boy Scout or
>Varsity Scout. Only one knot is worn, but any combination of devices
>may be worn on the same knot."
This was originally written before the BSA decided to create a Varsity
device and as much of the Insignia Guide goes, it's pasted from year to year
with very little *review*.
>There is a Varsity Scout device, No. 00928,
>which isn't even mentioned with regards to the religious emblem knot!
It will be with the next version of the Insignia Guide, thanks to you and so
many others that have discovered this "hole in the road".
>So we can take from this that a Scout who earns a religious emblem
>may wear the youth religious emblem knot on his uniform at any time,
>with a device indicating the level he was registered in when he
>earned the emblem. There is not a restriction as to not wearing the
>device while still in the same level/program area (i.e., A Wolf earns
>the emblem, he is able to wear the Cub Scout device while still a
>Wolf or Bear, as well as later on).
Absolutely. Even when he's a WEBELOS Cub Scout, he can still wear the knot
with the Cub (and Tiger Cub) device(s) on them.
>An adult wears the youth knot if he earned a religious emblem as a youth
>member, and may wear any device to indicate all emblems earned in the
>various programs. The adult knot is worn ONLY for religious emblems
>earned while an adult, and NO device is worn as it may only be earned at
>the adult level.
Not so true with regards to the adult knot. Many faiths have established
their tie-tac or lapel pin which *can* be worn with the adult knot to denote
which award(s) he or she have earned. It is NOT a national policy, however,
and there's lots of Council execs out there that will tell you that
"just getting it is something; let's not confuse it all by wearing one for
the Baptist award, and another for the Catholic award (which there are two)."
*Your local Council* is the best determinator on that part, Jim.
>Now to the international activity badge. Discussed on page 43 of the
>"International: activity patch, No. 00144, Boy Scout and Boy Scout
>leader, worn as a temporary patch on right pocket; jacket patch, No.
>00145, Boy Scout and Boy Scout leader, centered on back of jacket."
>Note that no mention is made of Cub Scouts, Explorers, Varsity
>Scouts, their leaders, or of any other Scouter position. Don't know
>exactly what that means. I do know that over the years the
>International Division of BSA has had different rules governing the
>award and wear of these patches.
Again, this was written back in a time whereby the only folks that could
earn this award were Boy Scouts and Boy Scout leaders. Now, with the
"watering down" (my term, my explaination, etc.) of the requirements for the
award, Cub Scouts, Explorers, Varsity Scouts and their leaders can indeed
earn this award.
Also, please make note of Professor Beaver (Mike Bowman)'s note about this
award. It is no longer the perview of the BSA's International Division.
Local Councils now have the authority to set up their own requirements and
to award the patches to anyone in their local Council.
>I will say that the changing rules on both the International Patches
>and the World Crest (which was once an "earned" patch) over the last
>10-20 years do present some points of confusion for us. Often, I see
>Scouters gluing together bits and pieces of these rules from
>different time periods, coming up with what they believe is the
That, along with some basic "let's get this out to the field" stuff, keeps
the policies from being "one big collection" instead of the "it varies
according to which book you read it from". If you look in some earlier
editions of the Insignia Guide, they confused the World Crest with the
International Activity Patch as far as placement on the uniform. The entire
book needs to be redone, and it probably will be redone sometime either in
'98 or '99.
Hope this helps out, Jim!
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