Re: Brownie Pine
Dave Wiebe (dawiebe@SPARTAN.AC.BROCKU.CA)
Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:25:12 -0400
On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Bob Costello wrote:
> Dave Weibe writes...(actually it's Dave Wiebe)
> >While the group of Scouts from England was here in St Catharines last
> >month I traded with one you lady who really wanted one of my patches.
> >What I got in return was a British Brownie pin.
> My questions are around the issue of trading between adults and
> youth. In my council (Detroit Area Council), it has always been
> explicitly stated that adults are not to trade patches with
> youth. Only youth-to-youth, or adult-to-adult trading is allowed.
> I am not a particularly avid patch collector, although I have been
> approached from time-to-time by adults wanting particular items.
> My question is, is the "no trading between adults and children"
> a local thing, or is there a BAS rule, by-law, etc which addresses
> it? Also, what is the reasoning behind it? I assume it is related
> to youth protection, but I could be wrong. And finally on that
> subject, is the prohibition international?
Canadian Scouting has no such rule that I am aware of. Also I do not ever
rip a youth off on a trade and if anyone comes out on the winning end it
is the youth.
> On a slightly different subject, Isn't the Brownie pin techinically
> an award of rank (like the Scout pin)? I ask this somewhat
> knowledgeably, since I have two girl scout daughters and am a
> trainer for our local girl Scout council. If so, should anyone ever
> trade an award of rank? I mean, if I were an Eagle scout I would
> think it unconsionable to trade my eagle patch. Similarly, why would
> anyone want an award they hadn't earned?
This is not an award of rank, which Canadian Scouts are not allowed to
trade, This is a British Brownie pin similar to the Scouts Canada pin that
I wear on my ball cap. All it has on it is a symbol not an award. If
someone asked me to traid my Chief Scout Award or Queens Venture Award I
would think they were nuts, I had to work hard for them.
The point of my original message was to do a trade for something of equal
value. The Brownie Pin may have more value to a Brownie Leader than to me
as a Scout Leader.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City