Requirement Approval Replies
Rick L. Covington (RCOVINGT@CCMAIL.DSCCC.COM)
Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:49:07 -0500
A couple of days ago I asked the group how they handle the sign-off
of requirements for the Tenderfoot to First Class requirements. I
received some very good replies, that I would like to share with the
Most troops place the responsibility for teaching, testing and
approving requirements with 'older' scouts. Older scouts may take
the form of the Troop Guide, Troop Instructor, SPL, PL, or just
older in age. I did not receive a reply for the Jr. Asst.
The best quote, "never do anything a boy can do", B-P.
A good idea, "developed some real "in-house" experts"
Thanks to all,
Rick Covington, ASM T574
Circle Ten Council
>From Scouter Don;
>Well back in troop 104, ANY first class scout could sign off the
>SKILL type requirements in the handbook. The SM would review them
>at the SM conference etc. The ASM's would also "supervise"
>presentations or demonstrations of the scouting skills to make
>sure they were taught correctly, and learned properly.
>SOmetimes the SM may need to question a scout about a certain skill,
>if it was signed off, at a time when the skill was not
>being taught in the unit or summer camp. If you keep some records
>of that information, it could help double check.
>However, from my past experience, it is CORRECT procedure for first
>class scouts, and NOT only patroll leaders to sign books. In fact it
>is prefered to adults!
>Having the scouts TEACH the skills, reiforces those skills, and
>helps build leadership skills, and confidence etc.
>IZ and Eagle, Wuz an Owl, soon to be a staffer, former SMF trainer
>Having transferred from large 30+ troops to a brand new one, I can
>understand your challenge. The fun part is introducing the people
>in the new troop/council to some of the stuff that made your last
>Re your advancement question: As with most troops, it's up to the
>SM/Committee. If the Patrol leaders are given the authority to sign
>off requirements through First Class, they should also be well aware
>of the responsibility involved. ie: no "pass friend".
>This is really no different than the adult discussions on
>Eagles that are not ready. If the people signing the
>advancement are dilligent about signing only when complete, age
>doesn't matter. If they are not dilligent, instruction is
>called for, age regardless. As BP would say "never do anything
>a boy can do".
Michael Derleth MDerleth@ELI.NET
ASM T14 Vancouver, WA Staff SR-177
From Jim Sleezer,
>In most of the troops I have been involved with, scouts who had
>previously completed a requirement were allowed to sign off for
>another. Some troops had problems with this and limited it to
>Patrol Leader, ASPL, SPL. Recently many troops have said an adult
>must sign off. What I prefer is to have designated troop
>instructors who provide instruction and sign off in a specific
>skill area, not just anything. This heightens the skills in all
>areas and seems to be a workable alternative to adults directly in
>The Board of Review should detect problems with work being completed
>and be able to identify individuals who are not doing the job on
Then again from Jim,
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:08:10 -0500 you said:
> Having a designated instructors for specific areas is a good
>We have developed some real "in-house" experts. All of our
>instructors are star, life or eagle and at least 14 years old. This
>gives the older scouts a "special" place and several have gone on to
>be summer camp staff members in their area of expertise. Actually,
>all current instructors are at least life and 16 years old. The
>troop had four scouts on staff and a fifth as a CIT at summer camp
>Our practice is for the scoutmaster, asst scoutmaster to sign off,
>esp with the younger boys.
>Phil Peverada, M.D., FACS, FACCP
>Penobscot Bay Medical Center
>Glen Cove, Maine USA
From Calvin Gray,
>We encourage the Adult Patrol Advisors to sign off but we also let
>the Troop Guides and other Senior Scouts do this. We don't let the
>Patrol Leaders of "New Scout Patrols" sign off on advancment.
>Actually, what we do is prepare a file folder for each new Scout
>when he enters the troop. The boy's name is written on the edge
>of the file.
>On the left side, we staple a written copy of the joining
>requirements and the requirments for Tederfoot, Second Class and
>First Class (in total, four sheets of paper). On the right side of
>the folder, we staple a sheet used to record the dates when each
>requirment is completed (this sheet is a copy of a blank
>"Individual History" report from Troopmaster).
>The folders are available during troop meetings and camping trips
>for adults and Senior Scouts to record and sign off on advancment
>requirements as they are completed. I bring the files home after
>each troop meeting or campout and post completed items to
>The adult advisors are asked to post the information to the Scout
>Handbook from time to time so that the handbook is current by the
>time the boy is ready to advance.
>This method works well for us as it does the following:
>1. Makes it much easier to work with a boy when he forgets to bring
>his handbook to a troop meeting or campout.
>2. Gives us a written "back up" in case the boy loses his handbook.
>3. Makes it easier for the SM (me) and the New Scout Advancment
>Chairman to keep up with what the boys need to be doing since their
>advancement records are updated each week. It's much easier to
>look through a group of file folders than to wade through several
>4. Since the advancment folder and Troopmaster is always updated,
>it gives me the ability to provide a quick answer when a parent
>calls and wants to know why his/her son is not advancing.
>Calvin H. Gray
>Scoutmaster, Troop 405
>My understanding from the Advancement course I attended at Philmont
>in June is that the Troop Instructors (boys) should be trained and
>capable to see to 1 & 2 of the 4 steps to advancement. 1) Learn,
>2) Test, 3) Review, 4) Recognize.
>This, ideally, would mean that Boy Scouts may sign off other Boy
>Scouts in their books.
>One of the Methods is adult association. Some troops don't have
>many older boys who are skilled, trained, and capable of teaching
>the youngers boys to the extent of signing them off. One way to
>sort of compromise is to have the Troop Instructors initial in
>pencil or to the right of the line making room for the JASM, ASM,
>or SM to sign off. I suppose if the SM felt that the PL's were
>trained and were being utilized as Troop Instructors (a separate
>leadership role) then they could be signing off. I would keep an
>eye on the amount of learning going on to be sure the PL isn't
>signing off if the boy doesn't "really" get it.
>Bottom line, the guidelines recommend but it's the unit's decision.
>Robin Church Haeuser, Chair
>Del Norte District Advancement Committee Los Padres Council ****
>Atascadero, CA Philmont 1997 (Philmont Phanatics)
>In my current troop we have the SLP or ASPL sign off on most items.
>Those requiring records are signed by the SM (10 activities type
>items). The reason for this is that we have two "new boy" patrols
>and PL was being passed from boy to boy for the first six months.
>We have one rule we have set is that we do not sign off in our own
>In the other troop I worked with (larger troop with good balance of
>all ages) we let the PL and instructors sign off requirements. Each
>patrol had a scribe that kept records so PL could check for
>Of course Scout Spirit and SM conference is handled by an adult (SM
>Hope this helps-
Gladys "Ginger" Jenner, ASM Troop 502, Longhorn Council | *
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>Troop 615 has the boys First class and above sign off everything
>but cout Spirit. Star, Life and Eagle ranks are signed off by ASMs
>or SM. The idea here is to allow the higher rank boys to 1. accept
>responsability, 2. remain current on there own Scout Skills by
>teaching and having the skill demonstrated back, and 3. maintain
>interaction between older and younger boys. It seems to work fairly
>well, especially when the older boys understand that if I detect a
>Scout got something signed off that he didn't know I come after the
>boy that signed him off! Maintains some quality control without
>getting into that sticky situation of denying a boy his rank (which
>we can't do anyway if it's signed off).
>Hank Heine email@example.com SM Troop 615
>Cubscout Roundtable Commissioner
>National Pike Dist.
>Baltimore Area Council
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