Re: Information Kept by National
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:35:16 -0500
Ben Pharr asked:
>I know only a few things are kept by National as far as personal
>information goes. I know they keep Vigil and Eagle names, but do they
>keep any other info. I hope some of you "more experienced" scouts can
>help me with this.
I'm kinda confused (Hey, it's Monday and I'm already mad at my Reserve
Command, so maybe that's it!) by your question, Ben.
Your local Council and the National Office, through various program
divisions and areas, maintain a lot of information on you; not like a credit
bureau or the military's intellegience sections....but they do keep some
information on all of us.
I'm going to answer this as if you're an adult; I don't know if you're a
youth member or an adult member, but I'm going to assume you're an adult.
When you fill out an adult application, you're making three copies of that
information. One copy stays with your unit; the other two copies go to the
local Council and to the serving Regional office for input and transmittal
(electronically nowadays; paper in the past) to the National Office.
Information from your application is gleaned and used for various
*your work address and phone number is used so that your DE can contact you
(or your employer) at work.
*your mailing address and phone number is used to send you a wealth of
information and resources from the local Council, from National and from
adjancent local Councils. Some of us also get their addresses "shared" as
we are parts of Regional or local Council committees, and the chairs of
those committees shares resources with the hopes of "cross-ferterizing" the
program with additional help.
*your references may be used along with your employer as leads for finance
and membership expansion programs in addition to checking on your background
*the same can be done with your previous employers.
The BSA's Registration and Membership Service uses the addresses to bounce
against their mailing addresses to cut down on mailing costs.
The Eagle Scout Service is using SSNs in addition to other data to quickly
verify Eagle Scouts (even though they ARE NOT supposed to do this legally;
under federal law, only federal agencies are supposed to be permitted to
maintain databases based on SSNs; most employers base their record-keeping
on some other number (the BSA base most of their
registrations by a several-digit registration number (six digits for the
base number, supplemented by four to five digits to represent the local
Council and District, and two other digits to represent the Region in which
The Council Services Division may use your employer (or your name) as a lead
for national fund-rasing items as well as to provide to larger employers a
"listing of the many volunteers from your firm that are making Scouting
happen in the lives of youth" and in hoping that they will make a financial
committment to Scouting.
The BSA, as a general rule-of-thumb, does not give or sell their membership
data to outside organizations or businesses; they will share their
membership data with companies that they pre-approval and closely monitor
(like Mutual of Omaha, sending separate information on unit accident
insurance; or Tom-Wat, sending you separate information on their fund
raising items). That's not to say that your Council doesn't do the same;
you might ask your Council Scout Executive to see what *your Council's*
policy is and to resolve any concerns in that venue.
The BSA is VERY CAREFUL about their membership data and what's in there,
because it's a lot of people they're talking about and there's a great deal
of potential for wrong-doing in releasing even a *part of it* to anyone
else. The BSA was burned by Tom-Wat in the 60s and as a practice, doesn't
release local Council information (which hasn't stopped a lot of folks with
CD-ROMs from finding out much, if not all of it anyways) and will
steadfastly refuse to provide anything but general information about their
local Councils (consult their website to see what I'm talking about).
There's a lot of other data...all of the information you provide to a local
Council when you fill out an application is there. Additional information
gathered over the years is also there. Council Scout Executives are
encouraged to send more information about Scouters upon request from
National or their Regional office.
We're a nation of "information gatherers", Ben. The BSA, unlike other
organizations and employers, do maintain a large bit of it. But it's used
(or should be used, I'll say that!) for the betterment of the program and to
protect itself from those that want to ruin the good name and reputation of
the BSA. I don't agree; but that's what the BSA would say.
If this doesn't answer your question, please reask it and I'll do my best to
answer that as well.
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