Re: Camp Nicknames
settummanque, or blackeagle (blkeagle@DYNASTY.NET)
Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:09:56 -0500
Do you have a copy of the letter to the Scout Executive?
Is there a way that I (or anyone else here) can get a copy of the letter so
that we can post it here? The reasoning is that the letter has the potential
of applying to more than just *your Council*.
Was this a letter sent to YOUR Council Executive or was it a letter sent to
ALL Council Executives for sharing with their volunteers staffs? If it was
the latter, why is it that nobody else's SE can find a similar copy of the
correspondence? If it's the former, what prompted if you're aware of it, the
The largest question, why wasn't this letter shared with all of the unit
leaders in your Council (via a personal "xeroxed" copy of the letter, a
letter from the Scout Executive, or copies of the letter shared with the
professional field staff which volunteers could read or obtain copies from)??
>1. The camp staff was informed of our no-nickname policy at the time of
>their hire and during their training.
But was the staff members provided a copy of the letter and what impact does
that have on the PARTICIPANTS of summer camps? Just because the staff
members at Camp Roy Manchester (the summer camp facility here in Paducah)
has the policies doesn't neccessarily mean that they will share them with
the Scoutmasters, Coaches and Advisors/Skippers attending camp sessions.
>2. I am in possession of a copy of a letter to our Scout Executive from
>the National Boy Scout Division, supported by Risk Management, that
>strongly discourages the use of nicknames at our camps. Mr. >Economides
could have seen a copy if he had asked the Council >administration.
Going back to the letter, why wasn't John (and other Scouters in your
Council) provided a copy of the letter? It seems to me as a former
Scoutmaster, that if the Council wants me to follow a new policy or rule,
that they should have provided me a copy of the rules BEFOREHAND
(that is, before we set foot on the camp property) so that I can inform my
members, their parents and our chartered partner organization and be truly
"on the same sheet of music" with our Council.
"strongly discourages" is a long way also from "prohibiting". As I posted
here yesterday concerning this topic, there's some valid reasoning behind
it; there's also a lot more "tradition" that supports continuation of it, as
supported by my and several other postings which followed up in this string
(this topic line).
>4. I think Mr. Economides owes the fine Executives of our Council an
>apology for accusing them of scamming him.
I also feel, Ernie, that your Council professional staff owe all of the
Scouters in your Council an apology for not informing them of the Council's
new policy beforehand (like before the start of the camping season). This
is like me going to a store that has taken my credit card in the past two to
four years, going to purchase items and having the clerk to tell me "we
don't take credit cards anymore". If there was a sign or posted message at
the entrance to the store informing me of the change of policy, I could have
prepared myself to pay for my purchases with check or cash.
By "springing up" and announcing this new policy (which, let's face it; it's
not "new", but your Council's interpretation of the BSA's youth protection
policies covering "hazing and harrassment") without notifying the volunteers
and unit leaders is not good stuff for your Council. Whether John was at
the camp or at the local Council office doesn't make much difference; the
point that I'm making is that if a Council wants us to go by the rules, then
they have to provide us with at least an outline of what those rules are and
"how tough" the "referees" are going to enforce those rules.
(c) 1997 Mike Walton ("no such thing as strong coffee,...") (502) 827-9201
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